DMT @ the Dispensary?

topic posted Sun, September 6, 2009 - 4:18 PM by  Mr. M
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I wonder if it would ever be available at medcan dispensaries? And if so, how much would it cost? What should be the price of a dmt trip? How bout $50? The state of CA would go from deficit to surplus in about a month. : )
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Mr. M
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  • Re: DMT @ the Dispensary?

    Sun, September 6, 2009 - 4:27 PM
    "..available at medcan dispensaries?"
    VERY DOUBTFUL!!!!
    "how much would it cost? What should be the price of a dmt trip? How bout $50?"
    NAH!!! It should be FREE!!!!
    You can make your own from readily available botanicals and some special sauce!
    • Re: DMT @ the Dispensary?

      Sun, September 6, 2009 - 4:59 PM
      I doubt it too. Would be interesting though.
      • Re: DMT @ the Dispensary?

        Sun, September 6, 2009 - 7:05 PM
        OTOH: Many experienced Psychonauts veer away from DMT because it is reputed to be WAY TOO INTENSE!
        People I know think I'm crazy because I really like it!
        • Re: DMT @ the Dispensary?

          Sun, September 6, 2009 - 10:09 PM
          I'd like to see my trip on a video with sound. But not actually go through it. lol Maybe a low dose voyage. I'm affraid too much might kill this heart patient yo.
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          Mon, September 7, 2009 - 9:39 AM
          Same here. However, it's the only tool I've found so far to allow access to an objectively valid higher reality.

          Incredible!

          And no, this will never be available at a dispensary and shouldn't be.

          It should also never carry a price tag, IMO.

          --
          K
          • Re: DMT @ the Dispensary?

            Mon, September 7, 2009 - 9:59 AM
            There is a parallel universe in which you are buying DMT @ the dispensary as we speak, Mr M. =))



            All reality is valid, and all of it is subjective. No observation, no reality, see. Sure, there is so-called scientific objectivity... to a degree. But even science is limited to what is known (not necessarily strictly observable). But absolute objectivity? I don't think so. We just tend to agree on certain aspects, when we're all looking... at the same thing(s). Sympathetic symbolism is more like it ;-)
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              Mon, September 7, 2009 - 10:17 AM
              I agree with you guys. I think I'm interested in dmt ( and other things ) because it is a catalyst of consciousness. What many may see as a lunatic fringe, I see as a stargate portal to exploring our inner & outer universes. Slowly but surely this is helping tranceform me into a better man. The age old tradition of initiation or trial by fire. You have to go through hell and walk the line of insanity and madness, to come back to and find that place that is the sanctuary of peace, love, sanity, etc..... Order through chaos.

              And even if we are all just processors rcving & disseminating information. If all our dreams are only program cards. If all of life is just a big fuckin' meme. What is the highest form or most altruistic of meme? A four letter word that starts with L and is very easily taken for granted? : )

              Thanx 4 playing we me guys. I'm in the best company I could ever hope for. Seriously. Thank you.
              • Re: DMT @ the Dispensary?

                Wed, September 9, 2009 - 12:55 PM
                You know Mr. M., for someone who's never partaken, I must say you really nailed it in your last post.

                To me, DMT has always been about love, love in the widest purest most intense possible sense; discovering (re-acquainting with) one's true nature and that of the universe at large...

                Glad to be in your company too, bro.



                Every thought is a thought in the mind of the universe ;-)
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                  Wed, September 9, 2009 - 6:57 PM
                  I havent done it because I'm not sure if it's safe for me with the mechanical heart valve. I really would like to do it. A small bit. But even if I never do it the subject still fascinates me. I can learn from it whether I do it or not. Kind of like how I look at weed now. I take it to help me sleep. I dont even really enjoy the peak highs like I used to anymore. I find myself not liking that part of it. But after the peak I like the relaxing mellow part. I can be pretty fucking mental with nothing. So to willfully take something that intensifies what I'm feeling can be a bit much sometimes. I used to be able to just go go go and party all the time. Now I'm more reserved and taking things in moderation these days. Occasionally I drink too much. I need to just stop after a six pack. When I drink 9 or 12 I always spend the next day in recovery. Like today. A Norco and three 40's? Wtf was I thinking? I was sooooooo totally hagged out today.
          • Re: DMT @ the Dispensary?

            Thu, October 1, 2009 - 8:01 AM
            Well said Kenneth!

            The freedom to visit other realities without my ego and "stuff" is truely a blessing :)

            and yes, Increadible!

            T
            • Re: DMT @ the Dispensary?

              Thu, October 1, 2009 - 6:33 PM
              <------ Loox into crystal ball and sees a low dose flight in my future. If I do okay I may try more. I prefer to have an exact dose and a good "sitter." : ) But, if I am advised against it due to the heart thing that's fine. I'm hoping I can do it though. It couldnt possibly be any worse for me than overdosing on 200mg of morphine and being sick for two days could it?
              • Re: DMT @ the Dispensary?

                Thu, October 1, 2009 - 8:19 PM
                In no way worse. If one has control the mind one can control the heart rate, just by saying to one's self: "be calm, breath." If one is "chill" enough, I don't see why heart problems would factor in much at sub-breakthrough levels. It can be relaxing if one can just let go.
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                  Thu, October 1, 2009 - 8:37 PM
                  What if youre totally out of control and can't let go? Seriously. That's why I quit doing lsd years ago. The last 15 or more trips were all bad. But that was before I knew I had a heart condition and probably why I had bad trips. Who knows. The last time I tripped I forgot how to breathe. Normally an unconscious function you dont have to think too much about. I swear I went at least 25 minutes without breathing. That was after I had laughed for 6 hours and was totally weak and every muscle in my body hurt from laughing. After the first couple hours it wasnt really funny anymore. But I still couldnt stop. Then I was laughing and crying. My friends locked me in my parents closet.
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                    Re: DMT @ the Dispensary?

                    Fri, October 2, 2009 - 6:10 AM
                    I can totally relate... swim had many many amazing lsd experiences and then they started getting "bad"... but that was do to head space and negative stuff going on in swim's world... and truth be told, too much use & abuse of the sacrament... A good lesson for swim to learn and remember!

                    It was years later and with trepidation that swim again tried lsd... in a good setting with good itentions with a loving partner and loving spirit... and the experience was fabulous and a lesson come full circle.

                    Swim would like to add something regarding his dmt experiences of 28 years and of being a sitter for at least 20 people... The overwhelming response and reaction from people is that there isn't any self-questioning and ego junk involved... It's not that type of portal... ego gets quite literally left at the door and most people simply sit back and observe.

                    Regarding your heart situation... swim is not a doctor and knows not the technical stuff involved, but, from experience finds the dmt tryp to be more a "mind & soul" WOW than a "heart" WOW. At low dose swiy will get a "feel" for it, which lasts only a few minutes... some auditory & visual play along with a relaxed (rubbery) body feel that dissipates very quickly. Even at hyperspace levels there's very little body load effect and never has anyone mentioned heart overloading... Of course being relaxed and "knowing" that your body will be fine during hyperspace is something that swim makes sure all newbies are coached in before blast off.

                    I hope this helps :)

                    T


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                      Fri, October 2, 2009 - 8:39 AM
                      DMT in and of itself does not present a heavy heart load, true. It's how one reacts which may or may not introduce a secondary stress factor. This is true for LSD or other potent psychedelics as well. If you suffer from any vascular condition (be it high blood pressure, be it an artificial heart valve), you must consider how stress, ie: adrenaline affects you. Your typical DMT experience is radical and swift (particularly 5-MeO DMT). To some, this can be scary...

                      Mr. M., next time you visit your cardiologist, I suggest you ask him/her if it's okay for you to be doing say a bungee jump. Ask specifically whether the sudden increase in adrenaline (causing rapid breathing and a ramped up heart rate) such an experience may bring are of any concern, given your condition. Curious, do you do any sports? Any cardio-training?
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                        Fri, October 2, 2009 - 7:11 PM
                        I do treadmill, hiking, walking, biking. I can get my heart rate up to 140 and be okay. I dont prefer it. But it doesnt kill me. I could bungee jump. I probably wouldnt though. But if I could do a low dose with one or two sitters to help me if I needed it I might be okay. I did shrooms on my 40th b-day and was fine. I was a bit scared a couple times. But it was no big deal really. Pleasant. I'm not sure if I will ever do dmt or not but I'm saying never say never. And I am highly interested in possibly taking the plunge one day.
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                          Fri, October 2, 2009 - 7:20 PM
                          DMT is base jumping into hyperspace. You could die (with a smile on your face) from pure astonishment ;-)
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                            Fri, October 2, 2009 - 7:48 PM
                            I'm kind of looking at it from that perspective. Like, if it kills me, so be it. If it doesnt, hopefully I can remember it and make my own trip report. I can't imagine what the hell I would see. It would be nice if I could see the old man with the long white hair and beard again. If he'd just hold me in his arms. Even if only for a few minutes. Whomever he is, he is my God. I have to see him again at some point. For eternity would be excellent.
                            • Re: DMT @ the Dispensary?

                              Sat, October 3, 2009 - 7:27 AM
                              dimi3 is 100% correct (gotta luv our moderator)... ask your cardiologist.
                              my take is that this is, simply put, a technical question, period!
                              if your "valve"et al can handle a potentially big increase in blood flow / activity then your surface question has been answered.

                              however, if there's an underlying question... "can I (my ego) handle it"?... the answer is also pretty straight forward... NO.
                              our ego's get checked at the door, 'we' are blasted into hyperspace to observe/hear/feel whatever (we're shown)... only upon return and after be-ing reunited with our ego do we then have the luxury to define what happend... good, bad, neutral, amazing, scary, orgasmic, wow, etc, etc.

                              - Interestingly in all my years with first timers, of those who said they don't think they'll do it again... they all said that they were glad they did do it and NONE have every said they regretted it... only that once was enough and thanks...

                              your insecurity questions may be answered if you think about that comment above and realize the worst that usually occures for those who are in a good space & setting is along the lines of "... wow, wierd, kinda scary, wow, glad i tried it but never again..." and the best is"... wow, wierd, amazing (still kinda scary), wow, glad i tried it and can't wait to again..."

                              i'm sure everyone in this tribe wants you to be safe and live a long life
                              i'm sure everyone in this tribe would rejoice for you to experience the portals of hyperspace
                              i'm sure no one in this tribe would promote you doing so with risk of you coming back to a non-functioning body/heart

                              IF your heart can safely handle bungee-jumping or roller-coasters or go-cart racing etc and your Dr. says its a non-issue then its a non-issue

                              from that point you then realize that there is no point... in the pointless forest that is :]

                              you'll be fine brother if you know you'll be fine... to be nervous is normal & healthy... and good. even for me after soooo many visits, makes me remember that this is special, is a gift of importance and that my electricity still flows!

                              PS
                              nice new avatar... take it to heart and you'll be fine :]
                              • Re: DMT @ the Dispensary?

                                Sat, October 3, 2009 - 8:35 AM
                                Trebor, I really appreciate your valuable and sound contributions to this forum. You rock!

                                Mr. M., sounds to me you're in good shape.

                                FYI: one of my friends who was diagnosed with an occasional irregular heartbeat was advised not to partake in any recreational substances which may affect his metabolism and consequently also his heart rate. This included MDMA. He did play sports (tennis) though. Pop the question anyways, just to be sure. You may also want to ask whether say a large dose of caffeine or ephedra or, depending on what kind of relationship you have with your doctor, other more illicit substances put you at greater risk than the average non-artificial-valve sporting Joe ;-)

                                I can concur that no-one I've ever met who partook in the spice has ever looked back with any sense of regret (not that I know of anyways). Quite the contrary. But I believe that you must be somewhat prepared when you enter this realm. Nothing can really prepare you, but just don't make this your first altered states experience. Work your way up through the ranks sort of speak as this is all about walking "the final frontier" ;-)

                                I have encountered folks who are somewhat afraid (or overly cautious) to go there though, particularly after hearing/reading certain witness accounts. It is too surreal, too abstract to describe accurately, so the message sometimes gets lost in translation. Once you do go through with it and take that step into the unknown, you realise you had to do it, that you had it coming even; the all too common "it found me" epiphany. In retrospect, most reflect upon their hyperspace "dive" as an integral part of their personal evolution. I say most as I cannot speak for everyone, but I have yet to meet an initiate who refutes this ;-)

                                The most useful piece of advice I can give anyone is to calmly enter with an open mind, with love and respect and to completely surrender to the experience. Relinquish all sense of control. This is very important. Fighting it = fighting yourself. Let go... Set and setting are huge in this regard (this includes having an experienced sitter) as it is imperative that you feel at ease. During takeoff, your ego may make one last ditch effort to hold on, which if anything is the difficult/struggling part. Remember, this is "new" and will take a moment to adjust. But once you detach (and you will), it's just you and the entire time-less/spaceless all_that_is. There is nothing more beautiful than this, and you are all over it ;-)
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                                  Sat, October 3, 2009 - 10:06 AM
                                  Actually I dont deal well with too much caffiene. I know for a fact my cardiologist would advise against it. He doesnt even think I should have one friggin' beer or smoke weed at all. I've disproven that theory for the last 7 1/2 years.
                                • Re: DMT @ the Dispensary?

                                  Sat, October 3, 2009 - 10:17 AM
                                  hehehe dimi3,
                                  reading your post makes me want to go on a trip... like right now... but alas, i just ate a large breakfast and have learned to travel light :) lol (pun unintentionally intended)

                                  Mr M., as per dim3... "There is nothing more beautiful than this, and you are all over it ;-) "

                                  for me, "a control freak" to quote my wife, the initial blast off is the hardest and a very revealing aspect of the experience specifically because i have to let go of my logic & structure & story... and then i'm in heaven and sooo verrry freeeee.

                                  Hmm... here's an analogy (somewhat accurate yet also lacking): Pulling off a band-aid... It NEEDS to happen and feels so good when off, yet some people will torture themselves for hours or days fearing the 1 split second of SENSATION that it takes...
                                  - to some its a momentary tingle followed by bliss, to others its a momentary pain followed by bliss... in each case "bliss" is preceeded by a sensation that "we' define. That definition is an illusion that we word into existance and make real "it" y . Don't let that "it" is stop u from exploring bliss... unless of course... it is a really good it!

                                  oh yeah, and defin"it"ly, make sure intention and setting are comfy, loving and safe
                                  • Re: DMT @ the Dispensary?

                                    Sun, October 4, 2009 - 5:25 AM
                                    WOW the pulling off of a band aid is the perfect analogy. I sweat it bad getting ready to smoke. So much so that it may be impossible to ever do dmt again. I did consider working the woods again last night, but I was high. Now I'm not, and I remember the angst of holding up the pipe and looking at it.
                                    It's like putting your brains in a shotgun, pointing it at the stars and pulling the trigger. Shoots your conciousness into the void, where all manner of strange and unusual screanarios and creatures await. It's just so fucking gnarly.
  • Re: DMT @ the Dispensary?

    Wed, September 23, 2009 - 12:52 PM
    There is no way in HELL that a dispensary would risk selling DMT, of all things, at their shop, and risk getting their shop shut down and being put in federal prison for years. It's not even in very high demand, like cocaine for example. NO WAY you will ever find it for sale (in it's pure form) at any sort of legal establishment. It is a Schedule 1 substance.
    • Re: DMT @ the Dispensary?

      Thu, September 24, 2009 - 3:34 PM
      Whats the next idea? A cocaine line dispenser ? A Pre-packed bong dispenser ? LOL please.

      This will never happen but i do admire the thought.
      • Re: DMT @ the Dispensary?

        Thu, September 24, 2009 - 8:13 PM
        It's just something I thought of one day. It's not something I'm advocating. lol
        • Re: DMT @ the Dispensary?

          Thu, September 24, 2009 - 8:40 PM
          If this ever become a reality i would be first in line =))
          • Re: DMT @ the Dispensary?

            Sun, October 4, 2009 - 5:19 AM
            Swim told me that in San Fransisco, swim put a few hits of DMT in a tiny baggie, wrapped it ina wrigleys gum wrapper, and put it securley under the leg of a bench out front of the cathedral Hill hotel. The person who it was for never picked it up. It was 18 months ago. Unless someone moved the bench, it is still there. Waiting to send someone to the center of the Galaxy. or Beyond.
            • Re: DMT @ the Dispensary?

              Sun, October 4, 2009 - 5:36 PM
              "The most useful piece of advice I can give anyone is to calmly enter with an open mind, with love and respect and to completely surrender to the experience."

              ...words to live by in ANY situation

              Love, Grattitude, Respect.
              PUMA
              Thanks guys. You are my favorite friends I never knew.
              • Re: DMT @ the Dispensary?

                Sun, October 4, 2009 - 7:25 PM
                Right on brothers!

                Mr. M:
                PUMA just put the icing on the cake... It'll be an amazing experience when you travel... Calmly, with open mind, love, respect and and a surrendering countenance... It's the way to travel :) and Thanos echo'd why it's important to to always be respectful of the power of the spice!

                We can't wait to read your first report...

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