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SO This is my first post on dmt.tribe. Greeting :)'
Now to business.....
So SWIM ordered a good deal of rootbark from 100herbgalaxy, a source which has received a good deal of praise from some very respected members over on DMT Nexus...........
He followed roughly followed Noman's tek........here is what SWIM did on a 200g MHRB Extraction
1)Dissolved 200g of 100% lye into 2500 ML of filtered water
2)Added 200g of MHRB powder, allowed rootbark to soak for about an hour, according to instructions
3)Added 400 ML of VM & P naptha (SWIM's container was very wide, so used more naptha to make it easier to draw off)
4)Allowed mix to sit for 24 hours, agitating periodically by turning jar end over end and allowing mix to seperate
5)Drew off naptha with a turkey baster and placed into flat glass pyrex dish w/ lid and placed in freezer
6)Next morning was greeted with what at first look seemed to be a pretty good deal of white spice. Poured naptha off and through a coffee filter to get any extract which was floating in naptha.
Yield of first pull was roughly 0.3g. SWIM thought, Ok so maybe the first pull wont come out to a great yield. So SWIM added another 400 ML of naptha and allowed to sit for 24 hrs........Used same method...Next day, did not see hardly ANY spice in dish, maybe 10mg MAX.
Tried to do another pull using less naptha...and alas, very very very minimal yield.
What the hell did SWIM do wrong? Also, the spice which was yielded did not seem to be very potent...Definately threshhold effects, but not even close to previous DMT experiences......
Now to business.....
So SWIM ordered a good deal of rootbark from 100herbgalaxy, a source which has received a good deal of praise from some very respected members over on DMT Nexus...........
He followed roughly followed Noman's tek........here is what SWIM did on a 200g MHRB Extraction
1)Dissolved 200g of 100% lye into 2500 ML of filtered water
2)Added 200g of MHRB powder, allowed rootbark to soak for about an hour, according to instructions
3)Added 400 ML of VM & P naptha (SWIM's container was very wide, so used more naptha to make it easier to draw off)
4)Allowed mix to sit for 24 hours, agitating periodically by turning jar end over end and allowing mix to seperate
5)Drew off naptha with a turkey baster and placed into flat glass pyrex dish w/ lid and placed in freezer
6)Next morning was greeted with what at first look seemed to be a pretty good deal of white spice. Poured naptha off and through a coffee filter to get any extract which was floating in naptha.
Yield of first pull was roughly 0.3g. SWIM thought, Ok so maybe the first pull wont come out to a great yield. So SWIM added another 400 ML of naptha and allowed to sit for 24 hrs........Used same method...Next day, did not see hardly ANY spice in dish, maybe 10mg MAX.
Tried to do another pull using less naptha...and alas, very very very minimal yield.
What the hell did SWIM do wrong? Also, the spice which was yielded did not seem to be very potent...Definately threshhold effects, but not even close to previous DMT experiences......
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Re: STB extraction.....very low yields
Thu, September 24, 2009 - 11:43 PMHypothetically' evaporate half the solvent before freeze precipitation'
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Re: STB extraction.....very low yields
Fri, September 25, 2009 - 7:09 AMI'm re-reading the DMT book again. When Strassman discusses doses in terms of mg / kg I remember thinking to myself how it's all good for the people in his studies. Because he's highly educated and obviously knows what he's doing and talking about. It made me think how potentially dangerous it could be if someone didnt know for certain what they were doing. It made me think that if I ever do dmt I would want to be guided by someone that is knowledgable like this. As opposed to just cooking up a batch of stuff and hoping for the best with whatever dose quantity happens to occur. -
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Re: STB extraction.....very low yields
Fri, September 25, 2009 - 9:39 AMPlant Alchemy takes skill'
You stick too much in the pipe you pass out'
Problem with STB is it is dirty' full of Lye'
Be Safe
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Re: STB extraction.....very low yields
Fri, September 25, 2009 - 1:48 PMNo real danger unless, as Nobuoni+ stated, you get lye in the mix. A few washes and some basic chem skills should provide all the tools you need for a safe extraction.
If you're uncomfortable with extraction, try mixing half-pound of root-bark with some vodka. Shake shake shake, wait a week, filter, filter again, drink a shot with some caapi copy.
Yumm!
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Re: STB extraction.....very low yields
Thu, October 1, 2009 - 6:48 AMHi Mr. M,
SWIM agrees that it would be good to have a guide for the first time exploring such compounds... Or at least a buddy/sitter who's read up on the typical experience and knows to just be there with SWIY, mostly just for comfort, because other than laying on a couch for 10 minutes SWIY won't be doing much other than "wowing" and smiling :)
The interesting thing about DMT is that SWIY can take a small hit to get a taste and with eyes open enjoy nice patterning for 5 minutes and gain some confidence. And a few days later, take a bigger hit and see where it takes SWIY.
Regarding the extraction, here's a link that SWIM has found very useful and is abreviated below in this post: www.dmt.20m.com/
SWIM tells me that with a little brains, patience and reading skills even a total novice in the kitchen can safely join the team... And it's very easy to know if the experiment is a success... Whitish powder (and or clearish crystals) is very good... Black goop is very bad.
Love, Light & Peace
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Re: STB extraction.....very low yields
Thu, October 1, 2009 - 6:30 AMHey Jordy, welcome to tribe, I too have just joined :)
SWIM read SWIY'S tek and and told me he was surprised that for a first try such a large amount was used...
When SWIM first started out he obtained finely ground MHRB incense (same cost as rough bark)
- He mixed 5g of pure lye into 200ml of distilled water until clear
- He added 20g of powder MHRB
- He shook it up real well in capped glass mason jar (typed used to make jam)
- He placed sealed jar in a sauce pan for a warm-water bath (140f / 60c) for 1-2 hours
- He added 50ml of pure naptha (ACE Hardware) and shook for 1 minute
- He loosened cap to relieve pressure and then re-capped and put jar back into warm water bath (140f /60c) for 1 hour
- He shook jar for another full minute, loosened cap, re-capped, back in bath for 1-2 hours until seperation occures
- He took jar out of bath and allowed to cool down
- He noticed that all the powder, lye and junk were below the naptha
- He siphoned off naptha very carefully and placed clear liquid into large open glass bowl/plate and re-capped the mason jar for later use.
- He immediately put bowl into freezer for 2 hours
- He then took bowl out of freezer and then put bowl into fridge for 2 hours
- He repeated this process and then left bowl in freezer over-night
- In the morning he poured off the liquid back into mason jar and re-capped for later use.
- At bottom of glass bowl were frozen crystals that he scraped with a razor blade into center of bowl with excess thawing naptha rushing to sides of the bowl.
- He allowed the thawing to continue for 5 minute before putting bowl back into freezer for 2 hours
- During this time he turned his attention back to the mason jar and added 50ml of naptha, re-capped and re-bathed in warm water as before starting the process over again with heating and vigorous shaking "the dmt shake"!
- After 2 hours he quickly scraped & poured the frozen crystals & liquid into a coffee filter which was in a funnel sitting in a glass jar and then quickly before and more melting occured placed jar + funnel + filter with crystals into the freezer for an hour.
- He then took the filter with crystals out of freezer and put in fridge on a dry room temperature plate and poured any remaining liquid into hot mason jar, re-shook and left in hot bath for final 2 hour seperation process
- After 2 hours the crystals were again put in freezer while mason jar was cooling down and siphon process done as before
- When the second pull is put into freezer crystals can come out and evaporate some more under an exhaust fan for 30 minutes before being re-introduced to the freezer.
- He'll usually repeat this freeze & thaw process three times until the crystals are fully dry and easily powdered with a razor blade on a plate and then left alone in the fridge for 1 night before being placed in a dark airtight jar for safe-keeping.
- He said that he can usually get 3 or 4 decent pulls using this method
Yes, SWIM is a bit anal and detailed when it comes to crystalizing, purifying and powdering his product... But, he assures me that he gets a great yield of pure stable powder that vaporizes clean, tastes great, is smooth going down and takes you for the ride of a lifetime :)
Also, this process seems to leave a very white powder (with touch of yellow) which can be easily cleaned and then re-tex'd after an equal part water/amonia wash... Although he's only had to do this once!
For larger amounts just up the proportions accordingly.
SWIM hopes this is helpful to some and should only be considered as theortical and not as "the way". If SWIM has left anything out or is unclear, feel free to write and I'll ask him for you.
Love, Light & Peace