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Re: DMT toxicity
Thu, February 14, 2008 - 8:36 AMOk bro' I will bight'
DMT is the highest neurotransmitter in the human body'
So toxic my ass' the only thing "you" are likely to do, is scare the shit out of "yourself" he' he' he'
bliss'
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Re: DMT toxicity
Thu, February 14, 2008 - 8:48 AMlol! oh ok thanks motumba
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Re: DMT toxicity
Thu, February 14, 2008 - 10:47 AMWhy of cause, also teach you about your FEAR and how to conquer it'
Teach you of the death experience' expand your conciousness into a sphere'
All is reflections bro'
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Re: DMT toxicity
Thu, February 14, 2008 - 11:08 AMWhat do you mean by the 'highest' neurotransmitter?
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Thu, February 14, 2008 - 11:26 AMThe neurotransmitter that takes you high ;) -
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Re: DMT toxicity
Thu, February 14, 2008 - 12:13 PMis 5-meo dmt toxic when smoked?
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Re: DMT toxicity
Thu, February 14, 2008 - 12:22 PMHard experience, but you won't die' just feel like it is all' he he he'
Yet again you can not smoke Bufotenine hydrochlorie, you have to base it to Calcium Bufotenine'
unless you like chucking up and feeling nausiaous for an hour or so'
Bliss'
Motumba'
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Re: DMT toxicity
Thu, February 14, 2008 - 1:50 PMYeah 5-MEO is far more potent by weight, so be careful. Some think it is more Visual, Some say less... Either way watch out, Powerful medicine.
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Re: DMT toxicity
Thu, February 14, 2008 - 12:24 PM'highest' neurotransmitter'
Seretonin and dopamine are neuro-transmitters, DMT is the highest in the body'
It carries information through neurons in the brain'
9/10th the speed of light'
bliss'
Motumba'
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Re: DMT toxicity
Thu, February 14, 2008 - 12:37 PMso there's more DMT than there is seretonin or dopamine?
Is there scientific data that confirms this?
Motumba,
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Re: DMT toxicity
Thu, February 14, 2008 - 12:57 PMso there's more DMT than there is seretonin or dopamine?
No I didn't say that I said seretonin and dopermine are neuro-transmitters, they vibrate at a lower frequesy than spice'
Spice is the highest vibrational molecule in the human body'
You eat 5-htp you increae seretonin' you eat or smoke l-dopa it increases l-dopa levels which effect dopermine'
As copper is a conductor of electricity, gold is even a bewtter one'
DMT is the hihgest neauro-tranmitter in the human body'
Ok
Bliss'
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Re: DMT toxicity
Thu, February 14, 2008 - 12:58 PMGriffonia extract 5-htp Mucuna l-dopa'
Ik read my site plant knowledgh all of this is there'
Ez now'
Motumba'
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Thu, February 14, 2008 - 12:58 PMThere is not MORE... It doesn't take very much... Is far more active than Seretonin or Dopamine.
LOTS of data on DMT in the Brain... just look.
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Re: DMT toxicity
Thu, February 14, 2008 - 12:55 PMDMT is produced by your body naturally, you also produce Harmine Naturally. Both are made in the Pituitary Gland, Or the physical manifestation of your 3rd Eye, in your body... Higher amounts of Harmine and DMT were found in the brains of Psychics, Gurus, Shamen, even Devote Priests (Christian healers). I believe It does lead to a higher evolution of mind/body/spirit. Many so called 'hallucinations' that occur without drugs ( some believe ) actually are caused by the release of Harmine and DMT in the brain. I have a theory that "tracers' are an effect caused by the release of Harmine in the brain... If you ever take pure Harma, you would know Why I think this. OH speaking of which... Harmine was first discovered in B. Caapi...but do the the psychic (mostly telepathic) phenomena that the SCIENTISTS noticed they actually name it Telepathine, it stayed that way until Harmine was later found in Passion Flower and Syrian Rue, and later to be found in all Mammals... -
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Thu, February 14, 2008 - 1:02 PMI have a theory that "tracers' are an effect caused by the release of Harmine in the brain... If you ever take pure Harma, you would know Why I think this.
Not Harmaline, or pinoline' telepathine' the effect you speak of is image retention caused by increased dopemine'
Ez now'
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Thu, February 14, 2008 - 1:07 PMWell, that could be since Harmine, Harmaline, Tetra-Hydro-Harmaline...ect. are all MAO-I... Which means they do act as tri-cyclic re-uptake inhibitors... and would in fact cause the tracers... Regardless that is initially cause by the Harmine... Take a fully visually active dose of Harma and see what I mean... -
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Thu, February 14, 2008 - 1:08 PMin other words it could be the large amount of dopamine that is caused by the MAO-I... -
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Re: DMT toxicity
Thu, February 14, 2008 - 1:16 PMin other words it could be the large amount of dopamine that is caused by the MAO-I...
Yes the moai acts as a dopermine re-uptake inhibitor, it is not the harmaline that causes the tracers, it is the excess dopermine caused to be prevented to uptake by the moai'
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Re: DMT toxicity
Thu, February 14, 2008 - 1:19 PMsure... I said that... are you arguing... or you feel you must repeat? -
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Re: DMT toxicity
Thu, February 14, 2008 - 1:30 PMsorry... I need a bowl... getting grouchy.
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Re: DMT toxicity
Thu, February 14, 2008 - 1:16 PMI am well aware of molecular vibrations. But how this works? I am not so certain.
How do you know that nn, dmt vibrates at a higher frequency ?
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Re: DMT toxicity
Thu, February 14, 2008 - 1:50 PMIk smoke it'
DMT writes to DNA an vice versa'
You smoke DMT you smoke God'
Seretonin the train, dopermine the carriage, DMT the train engine' other neuero-transmitters like acletolcolint regualte along norephrepherines, along with aminio acids and moai's all is balance'
molecular weight depicts the way inwhich the molecules we speak of reflect light information' also electrolite exchange'
Bliss'
Motumba'
DMT puts the brain frequencies/lowes filters so you can see the all collective conciousness'
No other substance touches the experience whatsover'
If it is true that JMT is blasted into the system at birth and at death' it is so that firstly the child brain downloas info from the mother, then of when you die, DMT uploads your life genetic history to your spirit to the all conciousness'
you have to take quite hight doses of other triptamines to get through the veil'
20mg is a beak though with DMT if you focus propely'
Ez now'
Motumba'
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Re: DMT toxicity
Thu, February 14, 2008 - 2:06 PMBack to the toxicity question, people have been documented taking 1 gram of DMT orally without any apparent toxic side effects. That's an enormous dose.
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Re: DMT toxicity
Thu, February 14, 2008 - 2:17 PMAye, and Natives in South American have been estimated to have snorted the equivalent of 3 grams of DMT in a single day with no ill effects... But stick to the low doses and slowly work your way up, is power stuff...
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Re: DMT toxicity
Thu, February 14, 2008 - 2:18 PMnn -DMT Chemical Formula: C12H 16N2 Molecular Weight: 188.27
LSD MOLECULAR WEIGHT 398.485 (tartrate) MOLECULAR WEIGHT 323.44 (freebase) CHEMICAL FORMULA C20H25N3O
2CB Molecular Formula: C13H16N2S2 Molecular Weight: 264.4
Seretonin Molecular formula, C10H12N2O Molecular Weight: 220.2
Dopamine molecular formula of C8H11NO2 and a molecular weight of 153.18
Norepinephrine Molecular formula, C8H11NO3 molecular weight of 169.18
Acetylcholine Molecular Weight: 181.68 Chemical Formula: (CH3)3N(Cl)(CH2)2OCOCH3
It will be noticed that the natural ones produced in the body have molecular weights of 188.27 nn-DMT seretonin 220.2 Dopamine 153.18'
LSD 398.485 2-cb 264.4'
Those heavy moles are synthetic'
Then we have to look at the mirroring of the mole' to give us some idea as to the reflection enrrgies the molecule can reflect/prismatise'
The heavier moles reflect the light slower'
Bliss'
Motumba'
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Re: DMT toxicity
Thu, February 14, 2008 - 3:14 PM> That's an enormous dose.
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Re: DMT toxicity
Fri, February 15, 2008 - 1:29 PMOf course ... :) No effects were observed. It's an enormous dose in the sense that it is about 20 times more than people commonly smoke.
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Fri, February 15, 2008 - 2:35 PMOnce again... Look to the HUGE doses Natives in South America snort every day.... -
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Thu, February 21, 2008 - 9:46 PMThose natives don't appear to be in real great shape...... but I don't think spice did it to 'em. -
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Re: DMT toxicity
Thu, February 21, 2008 - 11:54 PMDeffiniataly not the spice bro' lack of food and good water quite possible'
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Re: DMT toxicity
Fri, February 22, 2008 - 12:50 PMWhich natives? Actually case studies have shown time and time again that the natives that use Yopo/Ayahuasca/Peyote/San Pedro/Olioliuque and many other plant allies, all are more healthy, live longer, sick less often, better adjusted socially, better fed, more intelligent, they take better care of their children and elderly, and have less crime... When compared to natives that don't use any plant allies... Also natives that stick to traditional life styles live longer and are sick less often than their brothers and sisters that go to try to live in the modern cities... So what are you talking about? The pictures of natives passed out on the jungle floor with blood running from their noses? That is completely normal, and is in no way reflective of any sort of poor health... The natives in those pictures are in Really Great Shape... LOL, I bet any one of them would beat you in a wrestling match, and the tallest one is 5 foot 4 inches...
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Re: DMT toxicity
Fri, February 15, 2008 - 6:00 PMI agree with everyone here that DMT is non-TOXIC...but what about CAUSTIC, as smoked? cuz maybe what i got aint that pure or something, but let me tell you, it kills my fucking throat every time i smoke it, and sometimes i can hear a wheezing in my bronchials afterwards...anyone else have this with pure stuff or should i put mine through another wash?
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Re: DMT toxicity
Fri, February 15, 2008 - 6:43 PMBro' piss in a glass and wash the mole in that then wash it with water'
The Lye is then nutralised'
It sounds as if the mole was not washee properly after it was cleaned of solvent'
3% ammonia solution'
If not take tap water and add half again of unrine' sloosh it around, tip the crystals out, then wash them again in clean water and place to dry'
Better next time use edible lime, base 12 in saturate solution and no way as toxic as Lye'
Can't see the point of using Lye anymore, base 14 in saturated solution, you only require base 11.2'
Be well my man'
Bliss'
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Re: DMT toxicity
Fri, February 15, 2008 - 6:56 PMYou can also simmer the mole in high proof Vodka'
The mole won't dissolve in the alcohol, but any oils or Lye will, you get an extreemly clean result'
Alcolhol boils at 80* so just simmer it'
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Re: DMT toxicity
Fri, February 15, 2008 - 7:13 PMThe tap water'
If it is as crap as mine ph 7.8 Urine ph 8' PKa pf spice 8.7ph so don't leave the mole long in ph8 soluion it will start to dissolve through ion exchange and convert to a salt in the solution'
Then take the mole an put it in a vial and add neat Vodka' then place the vial in a pan of hot water, slowly bring the water to the boil' you will notice the Vodka start to bubble'
1 minute is enough'
Take the viual and rain off the remainder spirit, throw out the mole to dry'
It should be now, white, glass like, all the yellow will be in the spirit'
Freeze pressipitate your mole from the solvent first'
This greatly aids in the final product being "CLEAN" I do not require to stress this'
Re-correct ph back to ph 9' then simmer the mole in spirit alcohol for one minute'
Bliss'
Motumba'
If you got mole, then boil it gently in spirit alcohol' *
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Re: DMT toxicity
Fri, February 15, 2008 - 8:12 PMNatives don't smoke it... That is a 'Modern Man' thang... They Snort Yopo or drink AyaHausca... Any hot gas inhaled into your lungs could harm them... Pure stuff, can taste and smell like burning plastic and cause the wheezing your heard. If you smoked a tiny lil thing less than the size of a match head, and you tripped really hard, or 'Broke Through'... Then it was probably pretty pure... -
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Re: DMT toxicity
Fri, February 15, 2008 - 8:14 PMI love that crystal holographic diamond that appears above us when the crown opens, reflecting omnidirectionally. -
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Re: DMT toxicity
Fri, February 15, 2008 - 9:45 PMAye, The Web... the Veil...
Break on through to the other side...
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Re: DMT toxicity
Sat, February 16, 2008 - 1:05 AMYou got three diamonds one in your chest body, one the head and one above the crown chakra'
All light that makes us us, is reflected along the lines of these diamonds'
Bliss'
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Re: DMT toxicity
Sat, February 16, 2008 - 2:05 AMonly three?
I thought I had a kajillion... :P -
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Re: DMT toxicity
Sat, February 16, 2008 - 3:02 AMWell I see three main ones all connected tip to base, then refleceted to infinity every where' he he he'
So yes kazillions makes all' yes :)
Sweeeeeeeeeeet'
Bliss'
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Re: DMT toxicity
Fri, February 15, 2008 - 11:08 PMThe first time I was trippin out about all the frying noises I heard. I thought my brain really was frying. -
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Re: DMT toxicity
Fri, February 15, 2008 - 11:21 PMYou think fry, you fry.
You think crystalline
it shimmers.
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Re: DMT toxicity
Thu, February 21, 2008 - 4:02 PMDMT is taken in such small doses that I doubt there would be toxic effects. Humans can consume small amounts (1 to 3 grams orally ) of Aconite, Asari, caulis akebia, etc. for medicinal purposes. 2 or (if you can handle it) 3 tokes of DMT isn't going to cause neurotoxicity.
(DMT is found in the pineal gland and may have some kind of link to exo-hormonal communication (telepathy) and melatonin production. It certainly has a profound effect on the plasticity of the brain.
I agree with Motumba that this "spirit molecule" we call DMT can shape your genetic expression and begin to unveil the true self to help us evolve.
Just curious!! Do others begin to sense the internal biology (anatomy /physiology, biochemistry etc.) at work on a microscopic level after smoking DMT? I have had these kinds of experiences on numerous occasions , and were accompanied by those characteristic buzzing and hissing electronic frequencies, that seemed to be coming from those disembodied entities.??? I may be having this same vision because I smoke the sacred crystals in the dark with no sound.
Comments??
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Re: DMT toxicity
Thu, February 21, 2008 - 4:52 PMAll is vibration all is reflection in a state of flux, if you try and keep your eyes open on a good hit, you will see everything turn into lines and dots, all energy moving back and forth along these lines communicating with anm through the dots' of what you see is the energies of the all one conciousness and your conciousness communicating'
All of what you experience is in the mind, but the all still exist through you, the space within the ether in front of you is of this matrix I speek of' The noises experienced are like retuning a radio to a higher frequency' you can here the connections in the synapses of the brain pop an click as the energies go up, as the filters come down'
This is of what I see and experience'
Bliss'
Motumba'
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Re: DMT toxicity
Fri, February 22, 2008 - 9:39 AM> I agree with Motumba that this "spirit molecule" we call DMT can shape your genetic expression and begin to unveil the true self to help us evolve.
Double ditto on that one! =]
It blows the lid off the entropic/Darwinian "jar." My very first thought after my very first 5-MeO DMT encounter was that this strange little molecule could very well save humanity.
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Re: DMT toxicity
Fri, February 22, 2008 - 12:17 PMDMT is 100% natural. There is "NO", I say again, "ZERO", toxicity. It's as natural as life, itself. I actually prefer the term "metamolecule". It's the molecule of molecules. It blows the doors of perception off their hinges, and allows you to see things as they really are. A realer than real metascape. It allows you direct contact with God. Perhaps that's what's scary about it? I don't know, you'll have to verify this yourself. It's at least what I experience. -
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Re: DMT toxicity
Fri, February 22, 2008 - 1:01 PM"DMT is 100% natural. There is "NO", I say again, "ZERO", toxicity."
there are a lot of natural things that are poisonous
i dunno. when i drank ayahuasca i felt like i had been poisoned. Each time -
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Re: DMT toxicity
Fri, February 22, 2008 - 2:34 PMvery true... there is such thing as "Water Poisoning" and you body is 70+% water....
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Fri, February 22, 2008 - 10:25 PMok to be fair, if you dont clean out the "poisons" before you take maoi's, you gonna really feel them with no inhibiters to break them down. jah know...
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Re: DMT toxicity
Sun, February 24, 2008 - 5:56 AMOm you told me you where taking SSRI's whilst you took Aya, and you learn tthat they where not compatible'
SSRI's an MAOI's don't mix'
Bliss'
Motumba'
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Re: DMT toxicity
Thu, September 24, 2009 - 7:11 PMsaying DMT is not toxic is simply ridiculous. Serotonin is an endogenous neurotransmitter, in high amounts it will be fatal. DMT acts on the same receptors that serotonin does. When DMT binds to these receptors the synapse is flooded with serotonin. Repeated and frequent use of DMT could very well lead to permanent damage of these receptors. I am growing tired of this hippy-feel good nonsense about how because DMT is natural that it precludes any possibility of toxicity. Know your science and make informed decisions. Do not trust your brain to the rantings of someone who obviously knows nothing of neurochemistry.
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Re: DMT toxicity
Fri, September 25, 2009 - 2:31 PMom: "i dunno. when i drank ayahuasca i felt like i had been poisoned. Each time"
Everything which alters one's cognition in a bio-chemical sense may be deemed "toxic" to an extent. From Ritaline to LSD-25. The latter however in it's "normal" threshold dose is generally considered *virtually non toxic* due to the minute amounts required to reach said threshold state. But in excess, even LSD-25 will kill. Studies I read many years ago to do with DMT toxicity (yes, it is toxic in excess) pointed towards a low toxicity factor when used in moderation. 5-MeO DMT in particular was considered relatively safe in part due to the threshold dose being quite low as well as the body's apparent ability to de-aminate this simple structure rather quickly. Not to say that everything in minute doses is safe or non-toxic, of course.
According to the same study I mentioned, exogenous (external) administration of a moderate dose of 5-MeO DMT (8-12mg), without adding any MAOI, becomes practically undetectable (in blood) in a matter of minutes. This was one factor in the limited study's reserved conclusion that this compound was relatively safe in and of itself. Sorry, ain't got a link to this handy at the moment.
Repeat use of even the most benign entheogen can indeed alter one's brain function in a long term sense, for worse OR better. And that's without considering purely psychological aspects of any psychoactive substance use. But as far as any of them being actually poisonous to the body, psilocybin mushrooms for instance have a pretty hefty body load associated with them. This is why frequent use of this sacrament is inadvisable and many prefer to brew a tea with it in an effort to filter out some of it's arguably "nasty" (and not so useful) aspects. With aya, many consider the *poison* induced purge as an integral part of the experience. It's all relative really. As with many things in life, one has to carefully consider whether the benefits outweigh the risks. It is a personal choice.
We allow many toxins to enter our systems on a daily basis, whether we are aware of it, like it or not. Yes, some psychoactive compounds may be neurotoxic in and of themselves or set off a "toxic" response of sorts but are useful none the less in some sense, within moderation. Knowing what, why and how you're putting anything into your system key ;-)
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Re: DMT toxicity
Thu, October 1, 2009 - 5:24 AMto original question:
28 years of experience leads SWIM to believe that DMT will not have a "toxic" effect on SWIY when taken in small doses. However, like most things, if large doses are taken in a short period of time (or if the product is not pure), then damage may occure... ex: Sulfur is an essential componant of all living cells, but if it gets too concentrated it will poison you.
Here's a great link regarding DMT properties & info: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dimethyltryptamine
Love, Light & Peace
Rob