"are you ready for me?" said the spirit molecule...

It's hard to say for certain what exactly happened without being able to examine all factors involved, including the dmt itself. The best we can do is to prepare as well as we can. It's like packing for a long journey to a distant land, taking calculated risks by not knowing what you'll encounter but expecting the unexpected, and so maximize a safe return.

Perhaps you ought to try NNdmt before moving on to 5MEOdmt. Big difference! Don't be fooled by the notion that substances that are legally obtainable are therefore "safe". I met a few people who were in for a shocker when nonchalantly trying Salvia Divinorum for the first time, myself included.

We can learn a lot from native peoples in terms of paying the proper respect when visiting with plant spirits. Respect is really the central theme.

have you considered the possibility of possession?

David mentioned: "eyeballing milligram dosages"

Yeah, BAD idea no doubt. This is critical stuff and you better know EXACTLY what you're putting into your body/brain. There's no room for heroism in all of this either. Don't listen to people bragging about how many doses they can handle etc etc. That's highschool, really. Do your research, then decide what's right for you. Don't take risks, it's simply not worth it.

It takes astronauts quite a while to get used to the g-forces of a rocket launch so not pass out. Similarly, it takes an experienced psychonaut to be able to withstand a (5meo)dmt launch... 5meodmt is certainly not entry level!

Psilocybin has a chemical structure that is very similar to dmt. Take enough of it though and you will be thrown out of time/space as well. Ketamine at certain doses can do that as well. You may want to consider familiarizing yourself with some of the other non scheduled "experimental" psychedelics which can be ordered legally off the net before moving on to "rocket fuel". Been enjoying 2cti myself as of late.

FYI: convulsions, rolling back of the eyes and foaming of the mouth are all symptoms of the nervous system freaking out, commonly observed when someone's dying. Total ego detatchment = death. Dmt won't kill you, though the shock your body might experience when it thinks that it is dying can become a dangerous catalyst if not carefully considering your entire health status. Don't do this if you're health is not optimal, you are suffering from depression or especially if you have any type of heart condition as adrenaline will be surging through your system.

It is my humble opinion that 5meodmt in particular is NOT conducive to an urban setting; too many random energies there. Consider that you are in fact astral projecting; leaving your body behind. Without any type of conscious effort to psychicly protect yourself (or to be protected), who really knows what might decide to enter your being while you're "out there"? If you're really concerned that something might have happened while your body was left defenseless, you may want to immerse yourself in salt water (ocean) and apply some natural oil with a flower essence to your scalp. Lavender oil would be my choice. The degree by which this is effective in expelling or neutralizing this type of thing is debateable, but it certainly can't harm. Stones/crystals can offer valuable assitance as well...

My personal experience with otherworldly beings attempting to violate my body is limited to one incident while being on a mild hit of lsd in the forest. Though this was a totally different matter than Don's experience, I do know these things are for real from this first hand experience so I appreciate Robin's suggestion of possesion as a possibility. Native Americans consider this type of contact "something that happens to you for a reason". Another school of thought, the one I favour in this particular case, considers any "uninvited" entry to be a violation of universal principles. I suggest to anyone who's seriously interested in this to look further into "psychic protection". There are some rather simple things one can do to keep unwanted dynamics from entering the arena. Mantras, circle casting and forging alliances with plant and animal spirits IN NATURE are amongst my preferred methods to help guide me in my journeys.

Seeking the council/guidance of an experienced shaman is always ideal.


I want to thank you Don for sharing your experience with us so openly. In discussing these matters, hopefully we can keep others from repeating our mistakes and become active participants in harm reduction, which is very much needed right now.

i have found that some people's bodies freak out the first time they take the drug. sometimes they scream, convulse...etc. i have never seen it happen twice to the same person and it is always the first time. i even heard that i did this on my first 5meo trip.

i think it is a spiritual thing. i think it is the process of blowing things out of your life that shouldn't be there for that experience... kind of like a cleansing. it looks and sounds freaky, but it has never been anything that ended up with problems. i wouldn't sweat it at all really. i think it is a conflict between physical and spiritual consciousness. look at some video of shamanistic practice in the amazon and you will see all sorts of things that look like this. it isn't a big deal at all. it looks scary to everybody else and usually has little or no negative impact on the users experience.

i had no idea i had freaked out. the first thing i said upon returning was "i wanna go back".

Good input and information from all the above respondants, thanks people. Made me take another look at my experience, about 4 years ago. Yes, I am STILL processing it.

I don't know if this is the correct place for this but, here goes...
Its pertinent, so I will share.
I was sitting on a bed, friend helping me, took the hit and layed back, Gone. I don't remember much, a loud noise and visual of a rush into light, deep into it. Next thing I can place was awhile later and I vaugely recall wanting/needing to come back. This feeling must of been strong because I when I came back, literally 20+ minutes later, another friend who I was really close to, had a bite mark in his chest from me crawling and "biting" my way back. It was intense, full of screaming and who knows what else, I sure wasn't on the bed anymore.
I was petrified when I came back. I was having numbness and tingling (neurological symptoms) in areas of may face, these lasted for hours. I also began to have panic/anxiety attacks for months following this experience at random times and places, truly awful. I had difficulty sleeping for months as well. Also, I was a daily smoker of cannabis and when I tried to smoke from then on, again for months, I would go directly into panic. Getting stoned continues to be a different experience now, with a higher level of anxiety involved.
Four years later I still think about this experience, I feel as though I am still working it out, each day I realize more and more positive experience from it.
It certainly shattered my ego, I literally died and it scared the shit out of me. I did not realize the positive attributes nor appreciate that loss of ego for many months and as I said, I am still working on this.
I had many psychedelic experiences though none have impacted me as 5MEOdmt. Not even close. I never NEED another psychedelic experience again. (besides the daily norm....;))

Also, the idea of too much or wrong setting is potential. Especially given that I was not the first hit and apparently it can crystalize on the bowl and stem of the pipe.

I hope some can glean some info or meaning from this post.
Peace and love to you all.

My friend held the pipe for me as I smoked it. I coughed several times, laid back, and don't remember what happened for a few minutes. I didn't see visions, only mildly hallucinated as my friend was stroking my head and telling me 'it's okay'.

From my recollection, I was aware of the room and him the entire time.

However, he told me afterward that I was having convulsions, my eyes were rolling in the back of my head, and I was foaming at the mouth, immediately after I took it.

Has anyone heard of this happening or experienced it? Could it mean I took too big of a dose?

I was hoping for a life-changing expereince, but instead my friend got really upset and worried, and I doubt he'll let me try it again :/

Was it my fault, was I not ready?

Thanks

Darling this is Peti-mal epilepsy'

A blank expression' bright lights' crowded places' a whistle in the head' a kind of blankness of space' a space outed-ness on no thing'
No recollection of journeying on teacher plants' especiualy on moderate doses that hit hard' the likes of DMT' (My wife fits on 2 grams of mushrooms' or cocaine' but can eat LSD and smoke DMT in moderate doses' it is dependant upon the wiring of the temperal lobes)
It is simple to get cheched out'
Tell your doctor and have a scan done of brain activity as of when viewing bright flashing lights at differnt frequencies'
I have worked with these plants for many years and come across this many times'

It must of been a real concern for you' becasue you posted of what your experience was' and you had no recollection'
The convulsions are caused by an electrical storm in the brain'
The temperal lobes frits out' meaning they shut down' because of over stimulation'
If you had just passed out' in the throws of complete ego death' everything would have gone white' to all intence and purposes to a sitter' you would have been asleep' with possibly a slight flutter of the eyelids' or a twitch now and again' no fitting or convulsions'

Be very careful darling' you can make this worse by journeying' you can suffer Grand Mal whilst out on a teacher plant'
This can be very dangerious indeed'

Much love and respect

Nganga Nobunoni +