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topic posted Thu, February 14, 2008 - 2:21 PM by  Unsubscribed
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I want to know if there are any naturally occuring solvents that could hypothetically be used to extract the mole.
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    Re: solvents

    Thu, February 14, 2008 - 2:23 PM
    I fear for all the folks who are extracting with naptha and not properly purifying the mole.

    Naptha scares me.
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    Re: solvents

    Thu, February 14, 2008 - 2:24 PM
    polar or non-polar? *stirs, the pot a little*
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      Re: solvents

      Thu, February 14, 2008 - 2:26 PM
      Whatever naptha is.
      I'm no chemist.
      If naptha is non polar, than some naural non polar solvents.

      if naptha is polar, than some natural polar solvents.

      I heard there's one that comes from limes???????
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        Thu, February 14, 2008 - 2:31 PM
        Whatever do you mean' Naptha petrolium ehtyl ether evaporates'

        You dry the mole, recorrect it'sph and then wash it in water'

        Most of the other non water soluable solvents are nasty things' ether, chloroform.

        Limes make acid not solvents'

        bliss'

        Motumba'
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          Thu, February 14, 2008 - 2:35 PM
          Limes make acid solvents' correction he he he'

          Water is a solvent Ik lower it's ph and DMT will dissolve in it'

          Gently evap the water, scrape up the gunk an mix it with edible lime, a bit of water, bake it, crush it up and smoke it' he he he'

          bliss'

          Motumba'
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        Re: solvents

        Thu, February 14, 2008 - 2:33 PM
        *grins* Oh, I wanted to know what ones you wanted to know about...

        Naptha is a petroleum-based chemical, also often referred to as petroleum ether.

        Naphtha is used primarily as feedstock for producing a high octane gasoline component (via the catalytic reforming process). It is also used in the petrochemical industry for producing olefins in steam crackers and in the chemical industry for solvent (cleaning) applications.

        It is Non-Polar and it is nasty.

        Forms of naphtha may be carcinogenic, and frequently products sold as naphtha contain some impurities, which may also have deleterious properties of their own. [1] [2] Like many hydrocarbon products, because they are products of a refractory process where a complex soup of chemicals is broken into another range of chemicals, which are then graded and isolated mainly by their specific gravity and volatility, there is a range of distinct chemicals included in each product. This makes rigorous comparisons and identification of specific carcinogens difficult, especially in our modern environment where exposure to a great number of such products occurs on a daily basis, and is further complicated by exposure to a significant range of other known and potential carcinogens (e.g., see [3]).

        en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Naphtha

        There are several PDF safety sheets there.. just so you know what it is now.
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          Re: solvents

          Thu, February 14, 2008 - 2:38 PM
          Mostly make sure you clean your product, if you use it...good ol' crystal refraction...and make sure it is not contaminated with some other, more nasty chemical.
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          Thu, February 14, 2008 - 2:38 PM
          that's why I don't trust the stuff.

          So what's the least carcinogenic natural non polar solvent in the world?
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            Re: solvents

            Thu, February 14, 2008 - 2:40 PM
            Terrence mckenna speculated he got his brain tumor from smoking too much DMT.

            i'm sure back then people weren't all that keen about absolute purity.

            we'll never know, eh?
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              Re: solvents

              Thu, February 14, 2008 - 2:44 PM
              Terrence McKenna got his brain tumor from Radio Wave Tech, used by political Assassins... It is their preferred method since the late 70's or so...
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                Re: solvents

                Thu, February 14, 2008 - 2:45 PM
                I don't know if this is sarcastic or not,
                but seriously I wouldn't doubt it.
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    Re: solvents

    Thu, February 14, 2008 - 2:42 PM
    Actually Natural is not always less toxic... which is more what you should ask... Benzene for example is considered all Natural and is much more toxic than say Hexane.
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      Re: solvents

      Thu, February 14, 2008 - 2:43 PM
      alright, that makes sense.


      So um.

      least toxic
      non polar
      solvent
      in the world?
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        Thu, February 14, 2008 - 2:48 PM
        Petrolium ehtyl ether' Hexain

        Get your solvent and splash some on a piece of glass, let it evap, if nothing is left on the glass after, no oils' use that'

        Bliss'

        Motumba'

        Yes well if you stick your head out against these Dracs you will get targeted'
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          Re: solvents

          Thu, February 14, 2008 - 2:50 PM
          so what makes petrolium ethyl ether hexain less toxic than all the rest?

          Where does it come from?

          I'm just trying to figure all of this out.
          I'm concerned about peoples' health.
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            Thu, February 14, 2008 - 3:00 PM
            Hexane is produced by the refining of crude oil. The exact composition of the fraction depends largely on the source of the oil (crude or reformed) and the constraints of the refining. The industrial product (usually around 50% by weight of the straight-chain isomer) is the fraction boiling at 65–70 °C.
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            Re: solvents

            Thu, February 14, 2008 - 3:31 PM
            Well actually if you really want the goods...

            d-Limonene & Terpene

            Applications

            As a straight solvent, d-Limonene can replace a wide variety of products, including mineral spirits, methyl ethyl ketone, acetone, toluene, glycol ethers, and of course fluorinated and chlorinated organic solvents. As with most organic solvents, d-Limonene is not water soluble, so it can be used in the typical water separation units. With a KB value of 67, d-Limonene has solubility properties close to that of CFC's, indicating that it is a much better solvent than a typical mineral spirit. Straight d-Limonene can be used as a wipe cleaner, in a dip bath, or in spray systems as a direct substitute for most other organic solvents.
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        Re: solvents

        Thu, February 14, 2008 - 2:59 PM
        Ethyl Acetate would be one of the least toxic, but is only semi-non-polar... Hexane which has a low toxicity and is a rather good solvent...Toluene also would be less toxic and a good solvent, both Hexane and Toluene are known to be used as intoxicant inhalants...
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          Thu, February 14, 2008 - 3:04 PM
          As the man said it is all about refinement'

          Methylsolusolve is of what is used in the lab a bit more powerful than alcohol' toxic though'

          Stick to the petrolium ethyl ethers, at least they evaporate' parrafin is Ok if you dy youir product corectly'

          Bliss'

          Motumba'

          Spice a pipe of spice, back in 15 minutes folks' bliss' :)
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          Re: solvents

          Thu, February 14, 2008 - 3:05 PM
          Diethyl ether is another very low toxicity solvent even lower than Hexane or Toluene but liek Ethyl Acetate is only semi-non-polar.
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            Re: solvents

            Thu, February 14, 2008 - 3:12 PM
            thank you.

            Is hexane and toulene legal to posess in the USA?

            does it set off any flags to the idiots working behind the scenes?

            I don't plan on extracting any dmt, but I do plan on spreading the word.
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              Re: solvents

              Thu, February 14, 2008 - 3:28 PM
              en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hexane

              'Hexane isomers are largely unreactive, and are frequently used as an inert solvent in organic reactions because they are very non-polar. They are also common constituents of gasoline and glues used for shoes, leather products and roofing. Additionally, it is used in solvents to extract oils for cooking and as a cleansing agent for shoe, furniture and textile manufacturing.'

              Na stuff is widely used...if anything they will think you want to huff it...
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                Re: solvents

                Thu, February 14, 2008 - 3:29 PM
                Hexane has five isomers:[1]

                * Hexane, CH3CH2CH2CH2CH2CH3, a straight chain of six carbon atoms.
                * 2-Methylpentane (Isohexane), CH3CH(CH3)CH2CH2CH3, a five-carbon chain with one methyl branch on the second.
                * 3-Methylpentane, CH3CH2CH(CH3)CH2CH3, a five-carbon chain with one methyl branch on the third.
                * 2,3-Dimethylbutane, CH3CH(CH3)CH(CH3)CH3, a four-carbon chain with one methyl branch on the second and third.
                * 2,2-Dimethylbutane, CH3C(CH3)2CH2CH3, a four-carbon chain with two methyl branches on the second.

                BTW...
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    Re: solvents

    Thu, February 14, 2008 - 3:35 PM
    www.greenterpene.com/index.html

    d-Limonene

    Terpenes are derived from plant sources such as oranges, grapefruit, eucalyptus and peppermint just to list a few. They have been used for years in a variety of applications including fragrances, food additives and even insecticides. With the phase-out of CFCs and trichloroethane, more interest has been focused on terpene cleaners. The most common ingredient in terpene cleaners is d-Limonene, a derivative of orange peels. Alpha and beta pinene are derived from wood turpentine and are also commonly used as cleaners. Peppermint and Eucalyptus also contribute their terpenes to our cleaning list. The majority of literature on terpenes cleaners deals with d-Limonene based products and, in fact, the terms "terpene" and "d-Limonene" are often used interchangeably. Although terpenes are not miscible in water, they do form emulsions with water that are stabilized by surfactants and other additives. One major application of this all natural liquid is for use in semi-aqueous cleaners and as an all purpose, general cleaning solution. The use concentrations of d-Limonene & terpenes are usually 5-15% in water.
    • Re: solvents

      Thu, February 14, 2008 - 3:37 PM
      d-Limonene

      You have to be very careful of emulsions'

      They are a bitch'
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        Re: solvents

        Thu, February 14, 2008 - 3:40 PM
        I have yet to try the stuff... I am curious thu... orange flavored spice sounds interesting...
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          Thu, February 14, 2008 - 3:49 PM
          mmmmmmmmh' jasmine cinnamon mothballs and oranges; hehehe'
          • Re: solvents

            Fri, February 15, 2008 - 1:09 PM
            Motumba said it earlier. It does not matter how toxic it is if it evaporates quickly and completely with no residue. And of course you do it in a well ventelated area and dont touch the stuff with their skin.
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    Tue, February 26, 2008 - 4:29 AM
    I can't find good naptha without the dirty oils. Could pure toulene be used as a substitute? or would it pull alot of gunk along with the mole?