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The biblical Moses may have been "high" at Mount Sinai, an Israeli researcher posited.
Benny Shanon, a professor of cognitive psychology at the Hebrew University of Jerusalem, has argued that the miraculous sights and sounds in the Exodus account of God's giving of the Torah to Moses may have been drug induced.
Shanon, who published his theory in the scholarly journal Time and Mind, said the Mount Sinai spectacle recalled a "trip" he experienced after drinking psychotropic drugs of a kind that can be found in some desert plants.
"I experienced visions that had spiritual-religious connotations," Ha'aretz quoted Shanon as saying. "It seems logical that something was altered in people's consciousness. There are other stories in the Bible that mention the use of plants: for example, the tree of the knowledge of good and evil in the
Garden of Eden."
But he added, "I have no direct proof of this interpretation."
According to Shanon, the drug theory is more feasible than other explanations for the Mount Sinai story -- that indeed the Israelites communicated with God -- or that it is all just a fairy tale.
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Benny Shanon, a professor of cognitive psychology at the Hebrew University of Jerusalem, has argued that the miraculous sights and sounds in the Exodus account of God's giving of the Torah to Moses may have been drug induced.
Shanon, who published his theory in the scholarly journal Time and Mind, said the Mount Sinai spectacle recalled a "trip" he experienced after drinking psychotropic drugs of a kind that can be found in some desert plants.
"I experienced visions that had spiritual-religious connotations," Ha'aretz quoted Shanon as saying. "It seems logical that something was altered in people's consciousness. There are other stories in the Bible that mention the use of plants: for example, the tree of the knowledge of good and evil in the
Garden of Eden."
But he added, "I have no direct proof of this interpretation."
According to Shanon, the drug theory is more feasible than other explanations for the Mount Sinai story -- that indeed the Israelites communicated with God -- or that it is all just a fairy tale.
www.jta.org/cgi-bin/iowa...g/107328.html
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Re: Was Moses high on Sinai?
Tue, March 4, 2008 - 9:37 AMWho knows?
People have been tripping forever.
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Re: Was Moses high on Sinai?
Tue, March 4, 2008 - 12:53 PMwell if you have ever takin a psychedelic, in high enough dosage, its easy to see the 'inner light of all manifest matter shine thru from its source (quantum plenum) this in the bible is represented by 'The Burning Bush phenomona. Moses SAW the burning bush and heard the voice of God, very typical of most psychedelic tripping when done by a sensitive person.
Altho, it is more then possible to have insight of this nature without having ingested a psychedelic from an outside source, our nervous sytems are designed to have these experinces. today people take these trips, filter them thru the ego, manifest a culture based on the experience, and create division, seperation and conflict. a day is coming when these experiences will be seen for what they are, which is a higher level of reality in which we will inhabit.
A plenum of absolute fullness. This plenum is filled with a boundless luminosity, effloresing with vacuum photons.
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Re: Was Moses high on Sinai?
Tue, March 4, 2008 - 1:24 PMIf Moses wasn't tripping, then what was he?
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Re: Was Moses high on Sinai?
Tue, March 4, 2008 - 3:10 PMyeah, he had 2 Tablets!!! to share with everyone, clearly not enough -
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Re: Was Moses high on Sinai?
Tue, March 4, 2008 - 10:48 PMQBL not the BIBLE in English'
ELOHIM' JEHOVAH ELOHIM'
Furnaces at mount Horeb for the burning of Ormus'
MOSES did not SPEAK with a BURNING BUSH'
HEB'REW is quite specific "Feminine aspect of creation' through the joining of masculine/feminine creation' through Mind/ Wisdom to form through beauty power' feminine' Creator' Or something close to that'
BUSH' creator God', possibly a governor of Wisdom' as was SATAN'
So BUSH does not mean a little fuzzy thing with leaves on'
Oh So much Chaos rained in the name of religion'
Language is KEY'
The BIBLE was written in HEB'REW' so reading the book in English or any other language is totally pointless'
Creator Gods, governors of feminine Power, beings of Wisdom' Control' of what else does the expression BUSH' mean'
This is QBL after all' not King James English' :) or LATIN or GREEK'
Blessings'
Mòtûmßµ'
Think Egyptians, of who Created them and you get somewhere of close to the true story of furnaces and Ormus, BURNING BUSH :) beings of control' originally of NEPHILIM of RAH'
LANGUAGE is of what makes us no' XY
WORD before INTELIGENT thought'
our written language is back to front' trying to put feminine power/heart emotion over Wisdom'
Love is the Law' Love under Will'
So written language runs as to create emotion from divine contemplation' right to left'
Oh so much SLAVERY in the name of religion'
BLISS'
QBL'
Now I do pray this ALL goes to sleep now'
Study HEB'REW study Kabbala learn to use the Glyph the "Tree of Life"
Then you will not have questions if where you came from and of how all of this works' 3' or 111 or DNA reflection I
Dimi3 for you bro'
you know of what this means \I/ 3 Truth' NO?
There is nothing else'
This is GOD, ELOHIM' \|/ 3 HVI'
LANGUAGE is KEY for MONKEY MAN'
MAN is KLI of KEY, not MON of KEY' MAN is not of MONKEY' this is KEY'
Bless and Be Blessed'
THE TRUTH SHALL SET YOU FREE'
SET YOU FREE IN DEED' :) :) :)
Iboga teacher, Spice teacher' Aya' teacher' they all teach GEOMETRY' Iboga teacher the flat plane' through to a sphere'
Spice \|/ 3' to a sphere'
Aya takes the \|/ 3 and sticks it through the coil to the sphere'
Sphere all one consciousness'
LSD is of MAN'S creation and gives one a flat plane' triangle, square, pyramid' coil/star to a sphere, but you have to take loads of it to get through the veil'
Veil as in V M/F creation' E' feminine power to form' I \|/ ego' L male to feminine power' All is balance, active passive' \|/
DIMI3 \|/
language is key bro' no?
all at base is symbol, of past symbol there is the void of nothingness in continuance of existence' sphere to a point'
the sphere is made up of symbol/geometry'
there is no great mystery to the universe and everything'
DIMI3' \|/
This is all there is'
I pray this now all goes to bed, if not smoke another pipe of spice with your eyes open this time and see TRUTH \|/ 3' the basis of all of this CHAOS in the name of religion'
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Re: Was Moses high on Sinai?
Wed, March 5, 2008 - 9:38 AM> Language is KEY'
Terence McKenna said: transform your language.
Language is just a means, not the end. Language is communication, but does all communication also boil down to language? By means of what language does one comprehend and bring back glipses of hyperspacial reality? What purpose do we attribute to language? To form an understanding? I'd say, an understanding may be formed without the use of any words as well, unmistakably communicated through a quick deep glipse into one another's eyes... Oh yes, language has most definitely enriched our culture(s).
> The BIBLE was written in HEB'REW' so reading the book in English or any other language is totally pointless'
The New Testament is a serious re-write and distillation of the Old Testament and contains many distortions, and which indeed was written in Hebrew. And what was the Old Testament based upon and translated from? Sumerian texts. Sumerians who had intimate knowledge of 'other races' who they depicted as decending from the skies and providing them with accurate maps of our solar system amongst many other tidbits which still baffle science to date...
Rest assured, I care not for organised religion nor for any other form of fear-driven centralised power =]
The pentagram is a sacred symbol...
Yeah, I think Moses was high. I also think he was a raging pedophile.
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Wed, March 5, 2008 - 2:33 PMSumerian texts. Sumerians who had intimate knowledge of 'other races' who they depicted as descending from the skies and providing them with accurate maps of our solar system amongst many other tidbits which still baffle science to date...
Sweet so you understand Annunaki' created from breeding with MON'KEY' KLI of KEY' from ENKI'
They breed with our females and created a reflection of themslves' KLI' from MON' of KEY'
Making "MAN"' from STAR KLI' breed with MON'KEY
Creature is a SPHERE' not a STAR' PENTAGRAM' pentagram is GREEK' meaning five of symbol =DI of DUALITY of A' to Mind, GRAM'
G= Power to Form feminine' creation' R = to Beauty' power' under form feminine' creation' A' Mind to power' M of Glory contemplation to beauty feminine reflection power'
I pray you SEE'
Much respect from me to you DIMI3 you know of how to bend it if not mo5re than me'
DNA reflection 111'
I stands in the middle as balance' ego'
A' stands to Mind'
H' stands to male/female joined through = =H'
X=mirror as above so below'
O all' around mind' or all around beauty'
M' stands' contemplation to beauty to feminine reflection power'
The KEY is 21 +1 + 4 = 26 difference between 2 and one 1,2=3 3-4=1x3=3'
Man added as intelligence over heart 4'
of which is the step from triangle to a square' or pyramid over MAN that can only see triangle'
Of all is a sphere or HVI reflected four times =' G O to feminine form D'
MAN as from MON'KEY is a pyramid not a STAR'
CREATURE to make of MAN was a SPHERE' INTELIGENCE cut the O of all, with I' creating A' mind'
I pray you see me'
Without language we would not have symbol intelligence' we would be MON'KEY' instead of as we are KIN of feminine power' Life of contemplation to glory to power feminine' of I' ego' = KLI'
I of answer = light knowledge' of light'
not of beauty to form feminine power'
M' to O all'
of beauty to mind'
MON'
MAN is of beauty feminine power' to mind of beauty through mind'
In my book that is mind mind over beauty' MAN builds slavery over CREATURE'
To evoke ANGEL is TO SPEAK' H'
Language was not formed to create an understanding with each other'
language was created so as we can communicate with H' and H can communicate with I V''
ANGEL SPEAK TO INVOKE' IN DEED' TO BE'
I CREATE' TO EVOKE TO SEE'
AXE'
GREEK is some of the most serious mashed up symbol I have ever seen'
No wonder man can not see ABG' O' to D' VWXYZ from H ' I'
The number of man is 6 not 5'
Ez'
NWO not KSW'
Bliss'
Mòtûmßµ'
Your left should be your right, your up your down at tangent to the opposite' parallel to a point'
then maybe you can see me' A'- Z' H' V' I' E' L O' H' I' M'
AY VEY \|/
Y' X' I' is all to us' H'
creator as in God saw to give as H'V'I' to create V' I' from H' all is \|/' ~ of to see QBL'
Blessed Be'
Phew struth' extreeml;y simple really' X Y ' O' I' from H''
No Inteligence before H' no A before inteligence, only O' arguement ego I' Created V or A X'Y'
Inteligence of reflection built the rest about HIV giving us language as in symbol letter' \|/ ther is no more'
only ANGEL speak H' X' V' I' T Y' Z' through A' then sigil symbol emotion to create' direction' Alphabet' A E O U' back to XY from H gives I' ego' -
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Re: Was Moses high on Sinai?
Wed, March 5, 2008 - 5:47 PMjoin me in a race to be the first one to bring back from across the veil an actual physical object of which the machine elves are trying to teach us to hum into existence. "Do as we are doing" and the hum comes up into my throat and out of my mouth and I can hear/feel that the tone and vibration are almost just there. I put an order in at the menu microphone for a jeweled object even jeweled tablets hopefully in that yellow flaming-light alphebet they keep writting things in. Hope when I get up to the window they truely let me take this shit out. -
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Re: Was Moses high on Sinai?
Wed, March 5, 2008 - 6:14 PMtalk about Moses, torrentpirate passed on this unheard by most old Terrance McKenna talk. apparently the updated tablets (and yes two tabs amongst all of us isn't going to get anybody off) will say something like
1. Do not believe.
2. Do not follow.
3. Do not consume.
4. Do not watch.
5. Do not multiply.
check it out, but The Bard doesn't kick in until 9 minutes into it
c-realmpodcast.podomatic.com/
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Re: Was Moses high on Sinai?
Thu, March 6, 2008 - 12:05 AMVery sweet Larry'
I got a pocket for my jewels for all the yellow flaming writing'
They let me in with it, so they should let me out *
This one works fine'
Odo Cicale Qaa, od Ozodazodame pelapeli IADANAMADA'
Just look em straight in the eye, and declare Nothing'
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Re: Was Moses high on Sinai?
Thu, March 6, 2008 - 12:19 AMThere's a STAR MAN waiting in the SKY' HE'd like to come and Great Us'
But He Thinks he'll blow Our Minds'
Visa and data chip check' Anything to declare' (only diamonds gold and silver)
Oh that is quite alright Sir' We shall burn the gold and silver for you'
We hope you had a pleasant Day on Earth'
Tickets Please'
All aboard'
Aya'ee'aeee'a'
Bliss'
Mòtûmßµ'
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Re: Was Moses high on Sinai?
Thu, March 6, 2008 - 8:44 AMMuch respect to you too Mòtûmßµ' me brotha from anotha motha, always.
Question for you: who did the Dogons meet? Who gave them their most accurate knowledge of Sirius, being a binary star system and accurately attributing to Sirius B its three principal properties as a white dwarf: small, heavy, white.... next to all that other stuff they seemingly knew long before modern science was able to confirm as 'curiously' accurate? Then there's also the persisting mystery of Sirius C which hasn't been confirmed. In light of your post, you may find it interesting that Sirius C translated from the Dogon language into English is called the "Sun of Women." It is described by the Dogon as "the seat of the female souls of living or future beings." Just as the Sumerians, the Dogons claim all this knowledge was passed to them by visitors from other star systems (Sirius)... yet these clearly were not the Anunaki.
I hear you on your numbers and recognise the significance of 6. I'm not quite convinced that 6 is man/woman's number. Within the numerological scale, 5 represents the middle of all things; the balancing point of nature if you will. You'll see this number pop up everywhere quite literally. 2 legs + 2 arms + 1 head: 5. If you zoom out far enough on our milky way, from a certain angle, you will see a stick figure display! Pythagoras was onto this five sided 'natural' object as a sacred, and dare I say magical "secret" of nature. Regretfully, him and his ilk considered this knowledge too powerful and too important to share and subsequently opted to keep much of their knowledge to themselves. Them came the dark ages. And then the renaissance...
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Re: Was Moses high on Sinai?
Thu, March 6, 2008 - 2:28 PMMotumba,
Your words take me high, you got the word magic to the equal of James Joyce or better. In the begining was the word, which is good because it's the beginning again. Shine on you crazy diamond, shine on...........
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Re: Was Moses high on Sinai?
Thu, March 6, 2008 - 4:28 PMYou know in Buddhist teachings the goal is often to drop the ego and become empty, nothing, nobody, in a sense. Well, the storey goes that when the famous acid-head, Wavey Gravey of San Francisco ran for President of the US in the early 70's, that he ran under the actualized name of Nobody. So there were busses going by with signs on the side that proclaimed "Vote for Nobody for President", "Nobody Cares!" and billboards that said, "Nobody will lower your taxes!", Nobody would even give you all you wanted. Life is Good.
You know Wavey was kind of famous among the psychnaut group and he got his head real high. And then he got to wearing a clown outfit with the full orange afro and red nose and all and going to the terminal and burn wards, just the children's wards, and being there. Sometimes he said it was real hard to go into some of the kids rooms because their plight was so tragic and he looked like a clown and sometimes it was just good to be there real honest-like and not do the clown part. And then there was the day one of the little 5 year old kids was causing a problem for Wavey and everyone cause the kid was so badly burned and his 5 year-old face was so extremely deformed and burnt that it was hard even without the clown costume for anyone to go into that room and look in those eyes and not be hit with such emotion at him being such a young kid and all, so the problem was that not very many people could go into the kid's room and so now it wasn't a good thing that he was getting isolated and sad. But they watched one day when this little black kid, also on the ward but with still alot of energy was running up and down the hallways making noise and then he ran past the real burned kids open door and he spun into the room and looked straight in the burnt eyes and said just as open as kids are, "Man, is you ugly". And the little burned kid and the enegetic kid broke out into crazy kid laughter and the ice was broke and now the kid wasn't alone anymore. The innocent truth became the light. I don't know why I just thought of this. -
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Re: Was Moses high on Sinai?
Fri, March 7, 2008 - 9:25 AMLanguage is just a means, not the end. Language is communication, but does all communication also boil down to language? By means of what language does one comprehend and bring back glipses of hyperspacial reality? What purpose do we attribute to language? To form an understanding? I'd say, an understanding may be formed without the use of any words as well, unmistakably communicated through a quick deep glipse into one another's eyes... Oh yes, language has most definitely enriched our culture(s).
I got to disagree here'
He has missed the point of language completely'
Biological self, emotion, cries as does a baby with hardly any state of mind'
The sound is only air vibrating in the throat, but the symbol of the sound is biological from source''
Light reflected through DNA gives us our conciousness'
LETTER SYMBOL is the form of the language of the reflection' it is the reflection of direction that the light language/exchange takes, so as to form thought'
Before we knew of symbol we where just GAZERS' looking for food and water and fullfiling primal self, staying warm'
Then star men came and breed with our women, giving of their own DNA to simple creature' simple creature gained INTELIGENCE' from beings that had quite probably stuck the 111 seed on earth in the first place'
An experiment' not of God though as we see God as creator of all' but interceded upon by a higher inteligence, that no doubt had the right to do the interceding in the first place, cos HIM created us' I seriously do feel that all this bumpf about God is based on the fact that primal creature was harmonious, and inter-stellar man, gave of his chromosomes, making the primal animal inteligent/un-harmonious, creating "Devine Drive" to always get back to harmony of nature' the harmony of the planet that SEEDED us'
It is a long time ago for sure, but we have knowledge as you say Dimi of other star systems'
After the destruction of the second temple, most if not all of this information was lost'
It is only coming to light now by reflection, ie, esoteric occult sciences, using the little man behind mind filters to do all the unscrambling through waking dream'
It is not the question you ask that gets the correct answer'
It is the way you pose the question in the first place'
Is it' is It is, reflection'
The symbol of letter is only geometry through reflection' concious mind runs the WORDS, sub-concious mind builds the form of the symbol to give concious mind' direction' all being symbols at base because language is communication between two'
Creature was taught language as in symbol and spoken word so that he could communicate with his creator H'
Language was not given to creature of OD O all around mind or all around beauty' D glory to femine form' creature was of OD originaly'
then was given Power to form' this gives power over creation' because originally creature did not require of power, creature already had glory to form' H interceded by giving to creature power to form' this gave creature A' mind over grace to form'
This my friends is TRUTH of symbol and WORD'
No inteligence before G' H' took OD and added in the DNA string of letter symbols I' joining G through H with I' ego over heart'
The fruits to the tree of knowedge'
Language letter symbol is all'
Governer SATAN taught the form of the key to inteligenc to EVE is all the story in the book of Genesis is about' she then taught it to ADAMA and they both became as the GODS that created them' they where no longer naked of TRUTH' light knowedge through symbol emotion expression held to a strict form' LANGUAGE'
Language is the communication between atoms, molecules cells and organisms, the exchange is electro-magnetic in nature, and mind is of what transposes the symbol of communiction from the etheric emotion to the physical seen' SYMBOL'
Don't meditate on the WORD, for starters it is written the wrong way around, and WORD only gives constrained focus of intent to the joining sum of all the symbols in the WORD'
Meditate on the SYMBOL'
The word is created from reflection heart emotion mind from the biological side as SYMBOL'
Word is of MIND'
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Re: Was Moses high on Sinai?
Sat, March 8, 2008 - 1:07 PMReminds me of the "world is made of language", I had a ways back, where there were no lines, and my body was transformed from cells to language, words, phrases, songs, symbols. Twas intense. The only way to go. :) -
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Re: Was Moses high on Sinai?
Sat, March 8, 2008 - 2:36 PMYOU, are language. The real YOU is your DNA magic double-helix. The rest of all your muscle, blood and bone is just a packaging solution. YOU have lived for a very, very long time. YOU are very cleaver. Mr. Double Helix, could you tell me how you came into being instantly within that first life-form here on this planet.? You wouldn't have had time to evolve, but if you weren't completely formed, how could you replicate a second life form? Were you seeded here from deep space? Did you arrive in like a like mushroom spore (today mushroom spores are covered in one of the hardest of all substances, metal-like, and dark purple colored (just the correct color to counter cosmic radiation during the long flight). I've just always wondered. Come on, give up your secrets. Tell you what, let's meet to talk about this upstairs. I'll be up there right after I take this next hit.
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Re: Was Moses high on Sinai?
Fri, March 14, 2008 - 10:52 AMHello Mòtûmßµ'
Apologies for the tardy response. 3-D world challenges were keeping me busy =]
> I got to disagree here'
> He has missed the point of language completely'
Is that a fact?
He was under the impression that he was having a conversation with another he =]
Well, you may have missed my point actually. By asking my question(s), I was merely trying to understand the context from within which you were reasoning. Nothing more, nothing less.
> It is not the question you ask that gets the correct answer'
> It is the way you pose the question in the first place'
Agreed. Also, life is not about finding all the right answers but about asking all the right questions. Hence, the critical importance of getting on the same page when dealing with context-critical matter =]
Never assume to have someone's full understanding when you don't know for certain whether they interpret *words* exactly as you do, or whether you interpret them just as they do. Semantic significance... Never assume, period ;-)
> The symbol of letter is only geometry through reflection' concious mind runs the WORDS, sub-concious mind builds the form of the symbol to give concious mind' direction' all being symbols at base because language is communication between two'
Yes, but we have these phenomena called culture and historical distortions. Devoting a bit of time getting our universal translators synced up pays off, be it by means of agreed context and shared semantics or by lifting the *intermediate filters* and communicating *directly.* Got _?_, will travel = big smiles =]
> Don't meditate on the WORD, for starters it is written the wrong way around, and WORD only gives constrained focus of intent to the joining sum of all the symbols in the WORD'
I understand. It is a bit different in person when nuances are picked up more easily. It takes extra effort reflecting upon a screen... Language is but one form of communication was in fact all I was saying. Language as in a culturally learned form of communication.
"A language is a system of visual, auditory, or tactile symbols of communication and the rules used to manipulate them. Language can also refer to the use of such systems as a general phenomenon. Language is considered to be an exclusively human mode of communication; although other animals make use of quite sophisticated communicative systems, none of these are known to make use of all of the properties that linguists use to define language."
"A set of agreed-upon symbols is only one feature of language; all languages must define the structural relationships between these symbols in a system of grammar. Rules of grammar are what distinguish language from other forms of communication."
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Language
It is a bit snooty for us humans to assume that only humans make use of language while we don't have anywhere near a grasp on non-human forms of communication. I think whales, dolphins and elephants, just to name the most obvious examples, in all likeliness make use of their own visual, auditory, or tactile symbols of communication, each with their own respective rules to manipulate them. There is even strong reason to believe that whales and dolphins have developed means of communication which by far surpass ours in terms of accuracy and efficiency (holographic thought projection?). And elephants on a clear day can hold a conversation with one another across a distance of up to 8 miles. We can barely do this with walkies!
Anyways. We can also speak of non-organic communication through mere use of pulses as simple as 1s and 0s or more complex computer programming languages. The term "animal languages" is often used for nonhuman languages. Linguists do not consider these forms of communication to conform to language criteria, but describe them as animal communication rather, because the interaction between animals in such communication is fundamentally different in its underlying principles from "true" human language. Again, I stress that I don't believe we have gathered conclusive evidence which allows us to dismiss animals from having developed their own full standing languages.
My point was that communication is a vast term, whereas language as it is generally understood is limited to its respective collection of symbols and the rules which govern their use. All language represents communication, where as all communication does not represent language. We have, for one, forms of communication which do not conform to any known rules, and as such do not conform to any language criteria. And since language and communication are not interchangeable terms, I wondered what context you were applying.
I hope this helps further our understanding.
Much appreciated for all the valuable info and insights and the time spent in sharing.
Blessings,
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Re: Was Moses high on Sinai?
Fri, March 21, 2008 - 7:56 PMNice one Dimi, appreciate the bat'
Communication on any level is a language between a & b'
Because A can see b along a straight line, consciousness builds a point c, so as to calculate a balance between a & b'
At base all is geometry' at base all is symbol, perceived by our consciousness, all is light vibration'
I take language and communication the same as, talking, meaning cells on an atomic level speak with each other'
The language of chemistry/physics/biology
Not just a means to communicate between organisms/animals/people'
All and everything is language between ones own mind and body and the 3 d world we live in physically and language communication of psyche with the all'
The all communicates, as the all is our psyche' only the program that we run through mind, controls the filters, of how much of the all is perceived at one time'
Symbol is the communication through Psyche of the language of the all, mind perceives the symbols and through emotion balance' masculine feminine we get symbol structure so as we can communicate with each other'
You perceive your world Dimi, through the Dimi perception of how the Dimi program runs'
I run the Motumbu program' I see my world through Motumbu' perception program'
I have ran many programs since I was born'
I have had to kill a lot of the programs/personalities that I have run, for one they where bad programs and lead to untruths, smashing me to pieces'
So of all I know I re-programmed my machine' I took out the Paul program that was full of confusions and smashed it'
Bad programing'
Bad learning of the true perception of symbol'
Bliss'
Motumbu'
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Re: Was Moses high on Sinai?
Fri, March 21, 2008 - 8:28 PMHello Dimi'
To start things simply' without too many confusions'
First is God, then man, then woman' that makes three'
Man woman child' that makes three'
Now in order for man and woman to come together they must have something more than the physical' to speak the language of love creation'
They have psyches' emotions'
So man is, contemplation' grace to glory to creation balanced through mind and beauty' to his right hand' (beauty would be the heart reflection of mind/emotion')
And on his left' feminine reflection to form to power to creation' the feminine gives power to form from creation' all balanced through mind and beauty'
If the number of man was five he would be missing his/her psycic emotion connection with the all' he would be a robot' without any heart emotion'
He would just run a program through mind without balancing it through his heart'
We are male and female in the same body'
Original creation' man woman balanced through mind and beauty'
So man is God man woman =3
And woman is God woman man =3
Being masculine and femine in the one body gives us both masculine and feminine sences'
So the number of man is 6'
he has masculine and femine mind, and also masculine and feminine beauty to creation' = 6'
That is the most simplest way I can put it bro' ewithout all the geometry'
You will notice that these shapes are called "SOLIDS"
We are not solids' we have emotions and psychis that are a reflection of the one all' the O' in one is of what gives it it's symbol'
O' is all reflected too 1' ne~
Simple stuff binary'
The egg is round, the rod is straight'
To get from the straight rod to the sphere of creation, one must go through geometry reflection'
3 d solid, 4 d continuace, 5 d coil, of which is also a star in the second' to a sphere of creation' it only takes three steps to get from here 3 d to a sphere and three steps to get from 3 d here to the reflection of the sphere = 0 d so man stands in the middle' the centre staff standing within continuance of time, so he is not 3 dimensional, but 4 dimensional'
The pentagram and all of them crazy clever mental men useed this world perception as of that we are only 3 dimensional'
That is not correct, we live in four dimensional space at any given time' not three dimentional'
Bliss'
Motumbu'
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Re: Was Moses high on Sinai?
Fri, March 21, 2008 - 9:01 PMJust to bring along the line of the Dogon black heads a wee bit'
A bit of science'
THE CASE OF ADAM’S ALIEN GENES
In whose image was The Adam – the prototype of modern humans, Homo sapiens – created?
The Bible asserts that the Elohim said: “Let us fashion the Adam in our image and after our likeness.” But if one is to accept a tentative explanation for enigmatic genes that humans possess, offered when the deciphering of the human genome was announced in mid-February, the feat was decided upon by a group of bacteria!
“Humbling” was the prevalent adjective used by the scientific teams and the media to describe the principal finding – that the human genome contains not the anticipated 100,000 - 140,000 genes (the stretches of DNA that direct the production of amino-acids and proteins) but only some 30,000+ -- little more than double the 13,601 genes of a fruit fly and barely fifty percent more than the roundworm’s 19,098. What a comedown from the pinnacle of the genomic Tree of Life!
Moreover, there was hardly any uniqueness to the human genes. They are comparative to not the presumed 95 percent but to almost 99 percent of the chimpanzees, and 70 percent of the mouse. Human genes, with the same functions, were found to be identical to genes of other vertebrates, as well as invertebrates, plants, fungi, even yeast. The findings not only confirmed that there was one source of DNA for all life on Earth, but also enabled the scientists to trace the evolutionary process – how more complex organisms evolved, genetically, from simpler ones, adopting at each stage the genes of a lower life form to create a more complex higher life form – culminating with Homo sapiens.
The “Head-scratching” Discovery
It was here, in tracing the vertical evolutionary record contained in the human and the other analyzed genomes, that the scientists ran into an enigma. The “head-scratching discovery by the public consortium,” as Science termed it, was that the human genome contains 223 genes that do not have the required predecessors on the genomic evolutionary tree.
How did Man acquire such a bunch of enigmatic genes?
In the evolutionary progression from bacteria to invertebrates (such as the lineages of yeast, worms, flies or mustard weed – which have been deciphered) to vertebrates (mice, chimpanzees) and finally modern humans, these 223 genes are completely missing in the invertebrate phase. Therefore, the scientists can explain their presence in the human genome by a “rather recent” (in evolutionary time scales) “probable horizontal transfer from bacteria.”
In other words: At a relatively recent time as Evolution goes, modern humans acquired an extra 223 genes not through gradual evolution, not vertically on the Tree of Life, but horizontally, as a sideways insertion of genetic material from bacteria…
An Immense Difference
Now, at first glance it would seem that 223 genes is no big deal. In fact, while every single gene makes a great difference to every individual, 223 genes make an immense difference to a species such as ours.
The human genome is made up of about three billion neucleotides (the “letters” A-C-G-T which stand for the initials of the four nucleic acids that spell out all life on Earth); of them, just a little more than one percent are grouped into functioning genes (each gene consists of thousands of "letters"). The difference between one individual person and another amounts to about one “letter” in a thousand in the DNA “alphabet.” The difference between Man and Chimpanzee is less than one percent as genes go; and one percent of 30,000 genes is 300.
So, 223 genes is more than two thirds of the difference between me, you and a chimpanzee!
An analysis of the functions of these genes through the proteins that they spell out, conducted by the Public Consortium team and published in the journal Nature, shows that they include not only proteins involved in important physiological but also psychiatric functions. Moreover, they are responsible for important neurological enzymes that stem only from the mitochondrial portion of the DNA – the so-called “Eve” DNA that humankind inherited only through the mother-line, all the way back to a single “Eve.” That finding alone raises doubt regarding that the "bacterial insertion" explanation.
A Shaky Theory
How sure are the scientists that such important and complex genes, such an immense human advantage, was obtained by us — “rather recently” — through the courtesy of infecting bacteria?
“It is a jump that does not follow current evolutionary theories,” said Steven Scherer, director of mapping of the Human Genome Sequencing Center, Baylor College of Medicine.
“We did not identify a strongly preferred bacterial source for the putative horizontally transferred genes,” states the report in Nature. The Public Consortium team, conducting a detailed search, found that some 113 genes (out of the 223) “are widespread among bacteria” – though they are entirely absent even in invertebrates. An analysis of the proteins which the enigmatic genes express showed that out of 35 identified, only ten had counterparts in vertebrates (ranging from cows to rodents to fish); 25 of the 35 were unique to humans.
“It is not clear whether the transfer was from bacteria to human or from human to bacteria,” Science quoted Robert Waterson, co-director of Washington University’s Genome Sequencing Center, as saying.
But if Man gave those genes to bacteria, where did Man acquire those genes to begin with?
The Role of the Anunnaki
Readers of my books must be smiling by now, for they know the answer.
They know that the biblical verses dealing with the fashioning of The Adam are condensed renderings of much much more detailed Sumerian and Akkadian texts, found inscribed on clay tablets, in which the role of the Elohim in Genesis is performed by the Anunnaki – “Those Who From Heaven to Earth Came.”
As detailed in my books, beginning with The 12th Planet (1976) and even more so in Genesis Revisited and The Cosmic Code, the Anunnaki came to Earth some 450,000 years ago from the planet Nibiru – a member of our own solar system whose great orbit brings it to our part of the heavens once every 3,600 years. They came here in need of gold, with which to protect their dwindling atmosphere. Exhausted and in need of help in mining the gold, their chief scientist Enki suggested that they use their genetic knowledge to create the needed Primitive Workers. When the other leaders of the Anunnaki asked: How can you create a new being? He answered:
"The being that we need already exists; all that we have to do is put our mark on it.”
The time was some 300,000 years ago.
What he had in mind was to upgrade genetically the existing hominids, who were already on Earth through Evolution, by adding some of the genes of the more advanced Anunnaki. That the Anunnaki, who could already travel in space 450,000 years ago, possessed the genomic science (whose threshold we have now reached) is clear not only from the actual texts but also from numerous depictions in which the double-helix of the DNA is rendered as Entwined Serpents (a symbol still used for medicine and healing) — see illustration ‘A’ below.
When the leaders of the Anunnaki approved the project (as echoed in the biblical ”Let us fashion the Adam”), Enki with the help of Ninharsag, the Chief Medical Officer of the Anunnaki, embarked on a process of genetic engineering, by adding and combining genes of the Anunnaki with those of the already-existing hominids.
When, after much trial and error breathtakingly described and recorded in antiquity, a “perfect model” was attained, Ninharsag held him up and shouted: “My hands have made it!” An ancient artist depicted the scene on a cylinder seal (illustration ‘B’).
And that, I suggest, is how we had come to possess the unique extra genes. It was in the image of the Anunnaki, not of bacteria, that Adam and Eve were fashioned.
A Matter of Extreme Significance
Unless further scientific research can establish, beyond any doubt, that the only possible source of the extra genes are indeed bacteria, and unless it is then also determined that the infection (“horizontal transfer”) went from bacteria to Man and not from Man to bacteria, the only other available solution will be that offered by the Sumerian texts millennia ago.
Until then, the enigmatic 223 alien genes will remain as an alternative – and as a corroboration by modern science of the Anunnaki and their genetic feats on Earth.
Bliss'
Burning Bush' :)'
Motumbu'
To add the letter count of the symbol in Genesis 1.1 is 1' 3' 7' 21' ~
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Re: Was Moses high on Sinai?
Sun, March 9, 2008 - 4:42 AMHi Dimi3'
I will try and explain why the number of man is 6, beauty' and not 5' Form'
Firstly you said'
I hear you on your numbers and recognise the significance of 6. I'm not quite convinced that 6 is man/woman's number. Within the numerological scale, 5 represents the middle of all things; the balancing point of nature if you will. You'll see this number pop up everywhere quite literally. 2 legs + 2 arms + 1 head: 5.
If you want to look at it that way, you missed something, reproduction Y, grace to form, beauty v, to creation y, man' y /woman x = child' Y creation'
2 legs, 2 arms, one head, and one penis/vag' = 6
Now geometry says' Point, straight line, right angle, triangle3 square,4 star,5 sphere'6
Egyptian stuff, the great pyramid in Gazza'
The cross symbol + as above so below' through grace to form' our number is 111'
We look look like this
Above God' head, 1
To upper right masculine contemplation' 2
To upper left feminine reflection' 3
MIND'
Middle right Grace' 4
Middle left Form' 5
BEAUTY' 6
Bottom right glory' 7
Bottom left Power' 8
CREATION 9
Below Earth' 10'
Ten fingers'
So the number of man is2 3' 6' 7' 8' 9' standing on 10 as he is a sphere not a star'
Macro-cosm microcosm' or a sphere to point, reflected to 8 power to form' to get the numberes to run back to one you would need to rotate the pentegram through it's points by 90*'
Basically we do not have to turn around so as to make desisions, etherically, dimentional, only move as of when we need to move in body'
The pentagram points to materialism' of power over earth'
Your head and psychi are a sphere not a star'
Run the geometry in your psychi, triangle3 square four = pyramid' star5=coil, sphere 6'
The number of man by 111 reflection of which is the number of his DNA reflection is 6' 3 3' 2'
Not 5' 2.5 2.5' 2' this is not harmonic'
The pentagram points to
God head' 1
Top right, masculine contemplation' 2
Top left, feminine reflection' 3
Bottom right Glory' 7
Bottom left power' 8' =1 '2' 3' 7' 8'
The pentegram has no middle ground of Grace to Form' Beauty v or masculine1 to beauty 6 to creation 9' = 3' = 111'
The two most important parts of mankind from heart to create over mind through love' to create children'
The pentegram is a sign of manipulation', I use the latter term lightly as all of this is only geometry' The Hexagram is key' not the pentagram'
We are by reflection God head, masculine contemplation, grace, beauty' form' femine reflection' 111 +111+ child 1=111 ten fingures go figure'
Symbol is key' to language symbol, all at base is Symbol, no, all at base is geometry' the universe is made up of a matrix of geometry' by reflection' from point through to a sphere, reflected, Microcosm = Macrocosm'
I pray you now see me Dimi3'
Ez nwo'
Mòtûmßµ'
Oh yes the symbol O means all, or is the symbol for a sphere O' it also has the number of 6 as a sphere' Why do you think your head is a sphere O and not a STAR' * he he he'
Oh yes I know of the Dogons' who created Nephilim in the first place or something like that who created Annunaki' why did ENKI order the death of most of the human race'
Niribu could quite of possibly been the astroid that they jumped space with, then in the forming of our solar system, they smashed Niribu in to the forming mass of our solar system, planting the seed here and on Venus and Mars, we are talking some 6.4 billion years ago arn't we'
They no doubt seeded this solar system so as to mine all of the minerals'
Blessings'
Mòtûmßµ'
Take a broom handle and stick it across your shoulders, then rotate your body through 90* you will notice it is an arc to a sphere'
We live on a sphere the universe is curved' not flat' or coiled' spheric more like'
Dimi' you can take a look at my blog an run the math if you like through all the geometry'
It is all there bro'
Be well brother' nwo'
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Re: Was Moses counting his marbles?
Fri, March 14, 2008 - 10:54 AMHello again :)
I shall allow this 2nd post to sink in while leaving you with something in turn:
ponder:
Man? What man? He is just an afterthough. A mutation even :)
ponder:
Rhombic dodecahedron with its five sided facets which occurs in nature as a crystal form.
ponder:
Dodecahedron and Pythagoras.
ponder
The symmetrical geometric solids.
www.sacred-texts.com/eso/sta...6600.jpg
"To the five symmetrical solids of the ancients is added the sphere (1), the most perfect of all created forms. The five Pythagorean solids are: the tetrahedron (2) with four equilateral triangles as faces; the cube (3) with six squares as faces; the octahedron (4) with eight equilateral triangles as faces; the icosahedron (5) with twenty equilateral triangles as faces; and the dodecahedron (6) with twelve regular pentagons as faces."
www.sacred-texts.com/eso/sta/sta15.htm
The five shapes called the Platonic Solids (though Pythagoras was using them 150 years before Plato!) - tetrahedron, cube, octahedron, dodecahedron, and icosahedron all occur naturally in crystals. The criteria for Platonic solids is that all of their edges be equal. These are five figures of enormous importance. They are components of the energy fields around our bodies. The dodecahedron also functions as a symbolic representation of our Universe... upon which we -humanoids- are modeled(!)
Yes indeed, we are all God-head(s).
to be continued ...
Galeros: "Reminds me of the "world is made of language", I had a ways back, where there were no lines, and my body was transformed from cells to language, words, phrases, songs, symbols."
Which reminds of the line "The world is sound."
Larry: "Were you seeded here from deep space?"
Yes. Everything was. All life on our planet has "alien" origins. We are all "alien." But then again, we are also all @home. All depends on your vantage point ;-)
Larry: "Did you arrive in like a like mushroom spore (today mushroom spores are covered in one of the hardest of all substances, metal-like, and dark purple colored (just the correct color to counter cosmic radiation during the long flight)."
Yes, amazing isn't it? Or like a single celled organism, in suspended animation for millions of years, hitching a ride through deep space on a comet, fully prepared and capable of descending safely through our atmosphere, withstanding up to 5000 degrees of atmosphere entry-heat with a complex heat-shielding protein structure (no conditions exist on earth which prompt such specific evolution)... impregnating any fertile planet with the foundations of all life which followed. Full believer of panspermia here!
Blessings,
d.
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Re: Was Moses counting his marbles?
Tue, March 25, 2008 - 8:34 PMINTERESTING VIDEO ON BRAIN, LIKE HOW WE PERCEIVE WE ARE ALL ONE AND ALSO SEPERATE, LIKE GLIMPSES OF ABIDHARMA!!!
www.ted.com/talks/view/id/229
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Wed, March 26, 2008 - 10:23 AMhe he he Larry, absolutely awesome bro'
The lady knows some real, real' :)~
Bliss'
Motumbu'
Iboga teacher, teaches the two hemispheres to talk and exchange right to left, left to right' X
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Wed, March 26, 2008 - 11:20 AMYou are all assuming Moses actually existed... I haven't read all the post yet...
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Wed, March 26, 2008 - 1:02 PMYou are all assuming Moses actually existed... I haven't read all the post yet...
some interesting stuff though.
Shadoan, "You have evidence that he did not? Exist' if he did not then, all th work of the Arc Angels was for naught'
To add'
PA'
Power respect and honour to this lady that walked through the veil and had the presence of mind, of what she had left to recal the moment and bring it back'
Awe'
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Wed, March 26, 2008 - 6:12 PMHere' s food for thought till I find the movie that reports that Moses may have never been what we they said...
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Re: Was Moses counting his marbles?
Wed, March 26, 2008 - 6:35 PMAt about minute 4.5 it get's into Moses... I really think the book is a decorpage of bricolage....
So, all said, if Moses existed, the story of him seeing the burning bush.... Hell yes he was on shrooms... or flowers etc..
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Re: Was Moses counting his marbles?
Thu, March 27, 2008 - 12:04 AMCobblers he wasn't eating nothing'
You need to translatye burning bush from Heb'rew into English'
It ain't a freaking Bush with roots' ha ha ha ha'
As to the film, just one hell of a load of crap' ha ha ha
You can't study this stuff in Greek, Latin or any other language other than Hebrew'
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Thu, March 27, 2008 - 12:09 AMha ha ha ha'
What a load of freaking bullshit' he he he'
Unreal'
Just like the Shadoan geezer, "Hebrew by race and didn't even have a clue of how the Bible was written' :)'
Oh give me a hanky someone' sniff sniff'
ha ha ha ha ha ha'
Hebrew not any other freaking language OK'
Bliss with ignorance as icing ha ha ha'
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Thu, March 27, 2008 - 12:19 AMFreaking bunch of lunatics'
The God these folks are speaking of was a man'
Just like the other 72 Gods in the Bible where men'
ha ha ha ha'
This man God didn't give Moses the ten commandments, the ten commandments are Egyptian' Go figure that one'
These people say God, they are talking of a man' not some entity of creation'
It was a man that created man, not a so called spirit God'
Wow some folks are really and truly out there aren't they'
Now ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha to infinity if you believe this shit' ha ha ha ha ha'
Shadoan I would have thought better of you than to believe, film news reel bullshit' an books'
What you do is this, study Hebrew, study, QBL learn of how the language is made and of what it expresses, then go and read the first two books of the Bible again, the way it was written'
Not the way it was lost in translation' ha ha ha ha'
Unreal for sure'
Bliss and ignorance eh he'
Motumbu'
If you look in this tribe foto album you will see a picture of what "Burning Bush" actually translates into' it ain't no freakin bush for sure ha ha ha ha'
Just like SATAN is not a devil ha ha ha ha'
Just like LUCIFAR is not a devil either'
You folks just don't seem to understand that language is of what made you' without language you would be primate'
Where do you think your language came from eh?
Phew' I require a big dooby now, what a freakin load of madness in the name of men that rule over men'
There is no God as of the God I meet on Ayahuasca, the matrix wove of the all one conciousness' in the Bible, all the Gods are only men' OK?
Blessed be'
Motumbu'
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Re: Was Moses counting his marbles?
Thu, March 27, 2008 - 12:44 AMOne point to note to all the lunatics that believe this shit at face value'
Which one of the Gods in the bible created man'?
Secondly the palace has always been here'
Where do you think the men Arc Angels came from'
All is genetic memory, so you can call upon any entity that has lived through physical form'
Of what God are you calling on as of when you say God'
God as you see HIM did not create the palace, he only created man from animal' :)~
It is quite possible that HIM seeded this system, then came and took over control as of when the primates where evolved enough to be breed with'
The rest is history'
How many of you have actually done the study in Hebrew' learnt of all the Gods in this crazy book, instead of just watching film news reel bullshit, and reading fiction stories ?
Not many of you by the sounds of it :)
Mo'
Hey JAH, come and take back all the freaking gold and leave us to our own devises will you'
Spirit talks and shows, but not through the mouth and mind of men' ha ha ha'
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Re: Was Moses counting his marbles?
Thu, March 27, 2008 - 12:48 AMCorrection on the Shadoan geezer his name was SHANNON~
Satanic bliss'
Ez' :)
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Thu, March 27, 2008 - 1:54 AMOk all you crazy people'
How many of you believe that "God" spoke of in the bible, all the many of them I might add, has/had the power of creation of the earth, the heavens, the plants, the animals?
How many of you believe the Gods spoke of has/had the power of creation of both the heavens the earth the plants animal and man?
How many of you believe that the "Gods spoke of are "SPIRIT" as of likes you meet with in the throws of ego death on DMT or Ayahuasca, or any other decent plant entity that can kill, the running word in your head' and throw you into contact with the all one consciousness'
God spirit is the all one consciousness'
All the rest of the GODS are just men'
Even the first pages of Genesis are a load of cobblers written by men to control men'
How come non of you do any real study, but just chew general crap, like sheep to the slaughter'
I know many folks here that know A truth as I do'
A'men to them'
They keep quiet, cos it took them years, as it did me to chew through all the deceit and misconception'
I had help'
Iboga teacher teaches through genetic memory'
I don't read the crazy books of men any more, cos they are mostly just that, misconceived, misguided craziness'
Just like the freaking bible is oh so messed up, with Gods and Lord Gods, governors and so called beings of light'
The Roman view of God in the New Testament, they split the spirit into two, so as to give a piece of GOD as a present to the Gentiles, Father and Holy spirit' Paul was a serious mad lunatic zealot'
We are the beings of light spoke of'
All by of what you know folks, especially of what you know about yourself and your ancestors guiding'
Not films, chaos, stupid interpretations, religion and the such like'
Try speaking with yourself'
Try speaking with your ancestors through genetic memory, learn some shit about language and symbol'
Ask of spirit to guide, not men'
Man is completely and utterly messed up with his view of God'
Truth now'
There is no GOD Ok!!!
There is only the Sun, the palaces, one conciousness/spirit and Genetic memory'
What a freakin bunch of crazies!!!
Satanic bliss'
All Hail Satan'
For telling of the truth'
Adonijah' was not pleased the slaves be set free' ha ha ha ha I am' and I am laughing at all the chaos ha ha ha ha'
All Hail Satan, for without this governor entity you wouldn't be here now' Ok'
Ez nwo'
Motumbu'
First came the "PALACE"
Then came "DOG"
Then came "GOD" ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha!!!
Symbols, not words' animals' not Gods, men not Gods' ha ha ha ha'
The Palace has always been here' all is recycled, nothing destroyed' only changed from one form to another'
Man is oh such a lunatic as of when it comes to his concepts of GOD/S and spirit/s'~
It always amazes me to see that folks can still operate and function on totally mashed up programs'
I spend my whole life now meeting with folks that require to know of their ANGEL'
A lot of them I might add, get it all sorted and move on to peace everlasting~
All I can say is'
Blessed Be'
One Love'
Eternal'
Bliss' ~
In the Palace~ Yeshe're' e'
Motumbu'
Read the Sephir Yetzirah, also Triangle book' learn Hebrew' study QBL' switch off that stupid running word in your head and just sit and watch of what happens' learn to meditate, teach your mind that you are in control' not just a wim to impulse' learn to breath properly, ask of spirit to guide you through genetic memory' Drink the water, eat the food, run like I Warrior' Stop listening to fools that know nothing of themselves and the all one conciousness of the palace we live in'
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Re: There is no God' only spirit through Genetic memory' plus all one consciousness'
Thu, March 27, 2008 - 2:24 AMDan'
You started this freakin post bro' and I might add, sit back and say nothing'
So my friend'
Your turn'
What have you got to say about all of this'
You know more than you are letting on ? :)'
Your turn!!!
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Thu, March 27, 2008 - 11:38 AMI'm shocked and flumuxed Motumba! not really, just kidding, your predictably random!
I'm not disagreeing with you by the way. Just sayin: don't give Moses too much credit....
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Re: There is no God' only spirit through Genetic memory' plus all one consciousness'
Thu, March 27, 2008 - 12:13 PM'Tis my style, Tumbu, to stir up the discussion and sit back to read what others have to say -- I've been checking in on the thread from time to time, but all told, have been too busy for tribe in general -- didn't mean to seem like the absent father. [sic]
Basically, I think it's highly probable that most religious epiphany is a function of ecstatic awareness -- the type of awareness that can result from extreme conditions, such as prolonged meditation, isolation, a physical ordeal, or, yes, mind-manifesting substances. In this way, I think it's a worthwhile suggestion that Moses (**IF** such a man ever existed) was trippin' on Sinai (***IF*** such a mountain existed) -- if only to lift a bit of the social stigma off of these oft-dejected plant medicines.
As with many such stories originating in oral tradition, the characters and events are subject to hyperbole, embellishment, and distortion. Is it, for example, "just" a coincidence that, like Moses, the Hindu deity, Krishna, was placed by his mother in a reed boat and set adrift in a river to be discovered by another woman? And that the name "Moses" in Egyptian translates from 'mo' (Egyptian for water) and 'uses' (Egyptian meaning saved)? This is but one of a litany of "coincidences" that liken the character of Moses to a range of incarnations of other deities from previous civilizations and belief systems. It is for this reason that I hold out the possibility that the character of Moses is a conglomeration of many individuals, both real and fictional, with some narrative flair to make the story meaningful and memorable....
I'm not sure if that totally addresses your call, but if you have particular questions or curiosities, point them out -- I'll be happy to abide.
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Re: Was Moses high on Sinai?
Thu, March 27, 2008 - 2:01 PMWow this thread has gotten crazy.
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Thu, March 27, 2008 - 5:28 PMi agree pace.
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Thu, March 27, 2008 - 9:11 PMOk I just got one thing to add'
ANGEL ok!!!
Many freaking X's in that book' all got different names and different jobs' all have names of power'
More fun studying John Dee' than digging through DNA language, as man originally saw fit to have it recorded'
Yes there is no God'
Only the organism of the entire universe' all of us macro' specks of the all' seperated as individiual entities for a short while'
Recycled'
Part of the palace eternal'
Bliss'
Blessed be'
Motumbu'~
Dan "Burning Bush" translates from Heb'rew to "Being of light" so Moses was not talking to a burning shrub, he was talking with a man' the God of Abraham' another freaking X' Angel'
Who believes Jonah got swallowed by a whale :)~
Not Sinia' but El Jebel, by mount Horeb'
This is Heb'rew by the way, not any other freaking language symbol'
Moses was ordered by this entity to go seek all the diamond, gold and silver mines destroyed in the great flood'
My understanding of all this craziness is mono-atomic gold'
Gold is burnt at 6000 degrees, the heat of the sun, and it changes through alchemy to mono-atom gold, Ormus'
Ormus is multi-dimensional'
These beings of light use it to maintain a physical form through dimensional shifts'
You eat enough you glow, bright white gold'
The story goes that as of when Moses returned from speaking with this being of light, he had to cover his face, because folks couldn't look upon him cos he glowed so much'
He found Aron had built a golden calf and threw it in A' fire and burnt it' then made the people eat the burnt gold'
This is of what he learnt at El Jebel' from this creator entity that told him he was the God of his for-fathers'
All of this chaos and shit materialism is about mono-atomic gold'
The creators of man where men' not some God of spirit'
The Palace has always been here in one form or another, this has all already happened before'
Nothing is old or new, nothing is destroyed, but changed from one form to another'
There is no God'
Only the one all universe organism that we are all part of'
God is a concept of man's mind to try and prove of where he came'
All the Gods in the bible where men'
If you say God, of which of the 72 Gods are you reffering too'
Also how many Gods before them, all of them men'
Granted not all from this little planet'
The Sirius star system has a lot to answer to for a lot of this chaos'
Anti- gravity is achieved with mono-atomic gold, it only becomes effected by the earth's gravity, or any gravity for that matter as of when you pass an electrical current through it'
This is the key to the seeding of man from animal'
Triangle book, plus my own experiments with mono-atomic gold confer that St Germain was correct'
The gold repairs DNA and also is the key to longevity'
The race that seeded man had knowledge of DNA manipulation and also mono-atoms'
They will come back for sure and take of what they set up in the first place'
Animal man don't need none of this material bullshit'
We where created as miners for another race to use us as slaves'
SATAN had the right idea for sure'
Bliss'
Motumbu'
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Re: Was Moses high on Sinai? No he was eating mono-atomic gold'
Thu, March 27, 2008 - 9:15 PMthe guy is a corpse who cares if some fool smoked drugs 2000 years ago
om' that as maybe, but the spirit of "MOSES" not the man, lives on in spirit through genetic memory'
Of which we are all the head'
The universe in reflection still learning'
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Re: Was Moses high on Sinai? No he was eating mono-atomic gold'
Thu, March 27, 2008 - 9:27 PMDan' language bro'
That is the key to the bible and all the names in it, not the people, it is the living word that gives power to invoke/evoke, all by reflection.
All is within the mind'
At base all is symbol' language/letter is but an expression of that symbol'
Without Word' we would not be able to invoke/evoke to move' to cause all the awesome physical change in the now, that we are able to do'
We would be primate'
So I can go with you on your suggestion that MOSES was many men' the names only give power to invoke/evoke is all'
He/they must of ate a lot of mono atomic gold gold cos he/they lived for about 400 years' he he he'
DNA has a self destruct mechanism set for 120 years'
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Re: Was Moses high on Sinai? No he was eating mono-atomic gold'
Thu, March 27, 2008 - 10:14 PMBURNING BUSH translates to something like'
Beth' which is the Bina, femine power to form reflection/creator feminine'
You get this symbol twice B' and Y three times' which stands for Yesod' creation'
Then you get N' twice' which is the Chesod/masculine contemplation form of beauty'
All wrapped up in H' Heth'
Also S which is a form of Binah/feminine wisdom'
The likes of SATAN'
So we don't get a burning shrub' as all is lost in translation from Heb'rew to Latin or English'
We get an entity with the power of feminine creation, a creator God' with great Wisdom of masculine beauty'
A somewhat lesser God than say Jehovah, but an ANGEL god non the less'
An entity with the power to manipulate DNA, the elements/metals and dimensional travel'
So totaly lost in translation'
Man SHANON started all of this with his so called discovery of psychoactive plants in the dessert'
What he did not do' even though he is Heb'rew himself, is study the form of the Heb'rew language' the way it was written in the first place with active passive, masculine feminine, source and emotions'
He did of what most folks do' look at the symbol at face value as of how you where taight at school, by those thsat do not teach the emotion of the living WORD'
Heb'rew is written of totally of emotion from right side contemplation to left side feminine reflection'
Reason being is emotion flow through symbol'
Love is the law, love under will'
Bliss'
Motumbu'
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Re: Was Moses high on Sinai? No he was eating mono-atomic gold'
Fri, March 28, 2008 - 8:15 AMMotumbu
you might find this interesting: The words Double, Divide are roots to the word Devil Diablo!!
Devilled Eggs
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Re: Was Moses high on Sinai? No he was eating mono-atomic gold'
Fri, March 28, 2008 - 11:21 AMmmmmmmmmmmmh' interesting'
Devil = form reflection of beauty through mind, with power' = Femine'
I can rip any word or letter apart in any language and get it's base meaning'
Double'
Form all to creation, with power to form reflection' of power reflected' = Feminine'
Eggs'
Power to form reflection' of form' to form mind over beauty'/wisdom' = femine'
Mind'
Beauty of perception over creation to glory to form' = creation'
Heb'rew is easier'
Divide'
Glory to form mind over beauty' through beauty of mind over beauty' to form the power of reflection' = feminine mind'
Only 22 symbols in Heb'rew
26 in the Alphabet'
The alphabeit is Heb'rew'
Diablo'
Glory to form mind over beauty' through mind over power with grace to form' H' with -power of all' H= god' of creation' = creator God'
No such thing as a devil, just a creation of man's mind to expess' mind over beauty to form power over all'
Simple stuff symbol letter as of when you know the way it was written'
All'ah'
Mind over creation with grace to form' power' of power of mind over creation with grace to form H creation = Creator God~
Bliss'
Motumbu'~ Yeshe're'e ce'ce' ka' kali' pa' ;+.:+::+:'~ tomo'
Mo'=T'
It is way harder if you try and use this symbol we write with though' cos it has very little if any emotion in it's symbol~
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Thu, June 5, 2008 - 11:55 AMOK just to close this post'
Moses was not high eating plants'
The burning bush spoke of was the burning tree of life within Moses'
The burning bush imagery refers to the seat of the kundalini fire,
the Shekinah, revealing an emerging feminine perspective around this experience.
Holy ground denotes a holy feminine presence in the earth – although suppressed thoroughly enough to be defended with thorns.
The stone tablets suggest a testimony meant to reestablish the “I am that I am” (in Hebrew, Ayeh Asher Ayeh) within, based on the male or spirit “I am” uniting with the female or material “I am.”
So no crazy entheogens' he was in a state of reawakening of the tree of life within'
Kundalini fire is all'~
Bliss'~
Took me a while'
Egyptians caused untold chaos'~
Blessed Be'~
Motumbu'~
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Re: Was Moses high on Sinai?
Fri, September 12, 2008 - 3:11 PMApparently, the "phatt lady" hasn't sung yet =)
[no decent party is over until she does]
--this is a cross post with 100th tribe--
100th.tribe.net/thread/a03...41d4a6523c8
Moses was high on drugs: Israeli researcher
www.citizen.co.za/index/article.aspx
Moses high on Mount Sinai?
Yeah, I always figured he was. Well, since I began experimenting with entheogens anyways. When you do partake as I did, you suddenly understand where all that talk about supernatural visions and otherworldly beings comes from. You can place it in it's rightful context. Those who don't usually can't, hence the problem of folks taking the word or certain words too literally. Heaven, hell, purgatory...
Psychoactive substance use (to be intentionally vague) sparked most if not all of the world's religions (see www.botany.hawaii.edu/faculty...t20b.htm or search James Arthur for more in-depth info). I'll go one step further: psychoactive substance use has positively influenced all aspects of human expression. To be blunt: Psychoactive substance use has positively influenced if not sparked the evolution of the human mind itself. To consider it wrong or a shortcut in one's spiritual evolution when involving any type of substance is only a recent cultural phenomenon. There is nothing wrong however with using nature's gifts (for substances such as psilocybin, LSA, LSD, DMT ... are truly gifts). And there is nothing 'accidental' about any of them, if you realise the bio-chemical 'evolutionary perfect match' that's involved. Folks sometimes like to differentiate between synthetic or chemical and natural as well. Exogenic versus endogenic. Useful to certain degree, but again, at some point, this imposed boundary becomes utterly meaningless. We synthesise <naturally> all of the time... it all comes from the same natural source no matter how you twist or turn or squeeze things see. We do not create anything new -- only use/re-arrange what's available to us, which might involve taking a slightly different path to get to the same stuff (all roads lead to Rome, remember?). The brain is a chemistry lab. In fact, the entire human organism is a chemistry lab. Knowing how to tweak it responsibly (yes, it's all about set and setting) in order to broaden one's yield of personal discovery and awareness represents an evolutionary leap forward.
Also part of the way forward is to <responsibly> continue developing this natural human phenomenon called technology, preferably with an accelerated sense of destiny =)
BTW, there are also strong (yet obviously unpopular) indications that Moses was a paedophile ...
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Re: Was Moses high on Sinai?
Sun, September 14, 2008 - 11:32 PMOr was he just speaking with LOGOS'
Bliss
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Re: Was Moses high on Sinai?
Mon, September 15, 2008 - 11:45 AMOr was he doing both?
Or... did he steal them famous lines from someone else? Or... was he talking out of his rear? Or did someone doctor his notes...?
Guess we'll never really truly know =)
I'm still going with the most likely scenario, and that is that mind "altering" substances were involved.
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