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CSUS rampage may have started before victim arrived
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Buzz up!By Laurel Rosenhall and Ed Fletcher
lrosenhall@sacbee.com
Published: Saturday, Oct. 24, 2009 - 12:00 am | Page 4B
Last Modified: Tuesday, Oct. 27, 2009 - 9:49 am
Sacramento State officials released a detailed timeline Friday of the response to this week's deadly violence inside a campus dormitory that suggests Quran Jones started his rampage before his victim got home.
At approximately 2:10 p.m. Wednesday, a resident assistant reported hearing noise and windows breaking in the suite, said Gloria Moraga, vice president for public affairs. Records from an electronic lock on the door to the suite indicate that roommate Scott Hawkins entered the room six minutes later.
"We do know that something was going on before he entered the room," said Lori Varlotta, vice president for student affairs.
Dorm residents said Wednesday they saw Jones through a window, smashing up his room and hitting himself with a baseball bat. He is accused of beating Hawkins to death and charging at campus police with a knife. Officers shot him after he failed to respond to pepper-ball volleys.
Campus officials said nothing indicates Jones was using drugs, despite a roommate's account that Jones had recently expressed curiosity about a hallucinogenic drug called DMT.
"There is no evidence of any drug use," Dan Davis, chief of university police, said Friday during a news conference outside the American River Courtyard dorms.
A toxicology report might shed more light on what fueled the attack, but the results are not yet available, he said.
The Sacramento Police Department has interviewed Jones – who is in serious condition at UC Davis Medical Center after being shot by university police – but can't say what started the outburst.
When he's released from the hospital, Jones will face one charge of murder and one count of attempted murder of a police officer.
Spencer Dirrim, 19, who shared the five-bedroom suite with Jones, Hawkins and two others, said Jones had been researching DMT as part of a larger quest for spiritual meaning.
"He implied he might want to try it, but he never outright said he was planning on it," Dirrim said. "He believed it might be a path to a plane of higher consciousness."
DMT, or dimethyltryptamine, is a powerful psychedelic drug that has effects similar to LSD or hallucinogenic mushrooms, but is more intense, said Gordon Taylor, assistant special agent for the U.S. Drug Enforcement Administration in Sacramento.
"It's popular in club scenes in some areas, but we haven't seen it in the Sacramento area," Taylor said.
DMT can be smoked, snorted, injected or brewed into a tea, he said. It is derived from a plant, but synthetic versions are produced in illegal labs. In recent years, authorities have busted DMT labs in Mendocino County and Hollywood, he said.
Unlike drugs such as methamphetamines or PCP, DMT is not associated with violent behavior, Taylor said.
Jones was known on campus as a peaceful person, quiet and well-mannered. A professor described him as a devoted student; friends and roommates said he was thoughtful and a bit reserved.
Jones is the foster child of a San Francisco couple who have said Jones is a kind, loving son. His biological father, Willie Jones, said during an interview late Thursday night at UC Davis Medical Center that he had talked to his son just a few days before.
"It's hard to believe what happened," Jones said. "I really, really feel bad about the other people's son. I wished he hadn't died."
Willie Jones said his son is an inquisitive young man who had talked about entering the military.
"He's a really good kid," Willie Jones said. "(His) life's just getting started."
Dirrim said Jones "was looking for the greater truth in life."
"He had a feeling there was something greater he could be a part of, some form of ascension to a higher form of consciousness," Dirrim said.
Jones told his roommate DMT might lead to the type of experience he sought, Dirrim said. He said he never saw Jones take any drugs or drink alcohol. But "he mentioned a book called 'DMT: The Spirit Molecule' that talked about this extensively," Dirrim said.
The author of that book is Rick Straussman, a psychiatry professor at the University of New Mexico School of Medicine who conducted a large study on DMT in the early 1990s to see what kinds of reactions it caused.
Most of his subjects experienced visual hallucinations and out of body sensations, Straussman said. Some went into extreme emotional states, or felt anxious. But none of them became violent, he said.
"I've never heard of anybody attacking anybody after smoking DMT," Straussman said.
Dirrim said he didn't mention Jones' interest in DMT to police when they questioned him Wednesday following the attack. He said it didn't occur to him until later that night as he ruminated on the day's events. He sent Sacramento police a follow-up e-mail at 11:33 p.m.
"Quran takes an interest in hallucinogens in a spiritual context," Dirrim wrote.
"In particular, he has often discussed the compound Dimethyltryptamine or DMT as a gateway to powerful spiritual experiences. He had never taken it, though he has often expressed interest in the compound and the hallucinations and spiritual experiences that it produces. He has also extended this interest to other psychedelic compounds, though had never used any (to my knowledge)."
CSUS rampage may have started before victim arrived
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Buzz up!By Laurel Rosenhall and Ed Fletcher
lrosenhall@sacbee.com
Published: Saturday, Oct. 24, 2009 - 12:00 am | Page 4B
Last Modified: Tuesday, Oct. 27, 2009 - 9:49 am
Sacramento State officials released a detailed timeline Friday of the response to this week's deadly violence inside a campus dormitory that suggests Quran Jones started his rampage before his victim got home.
At approximately 2:10 p.m. Wednesday, a resident assistant reported hearing noise and windows breaking in the suite, said Gloria Moraga, vice president for public affairs. Records from an electronic lock on the door to the suite indicate that roommate Scott Hawkins entered the room six minutes later.
"We do know that something was going on before he entered the room," said Lori Varlotta, vice president for student affairs.
Dorm residents said Wednesday they saw Jones through a window, smashing up his room and hitting himself with a baseball bat. He is accused of beating Hawkins to death and charging at campus police with a knife. Officers shot him after he failed to respond to pepper-ball volleys.
Campus officials said nothing indicates Jones was using drugs, despite a roommate's account that Jones had recently expressed curiosity about a hallucinogenic drug called DMT.
"There is no evidence of any drug use," Dan Davis, chief of university police, said Friday during a news conference outside the American River Courtyard dorms.
A toxicology report might shed more light on what fueled the attack, but the results are not yet available, he said.
The Sacramento Police Department has interviewed Jones – who is in serious condition at UC Davis Medical Center after being shot by university police – but can't say what started the outburst.
When he's released from the hospital, Jones will face one charge of murder and one count of attempted murder of a police officer.
Spencer Dirrim, 19, who shared the five-bedroom suite with Jones, Hawkins and two others, said Jones had been researching DMT as part of a larger quest for spiritual meaning.
"He implied he might want to try it, but he never outright said he was planning on it," Dirrim said. "He believed it might be a path to a plane of higher consciousness."
DMT, or dimethyltryptamine, is a powerful psychedelic drug that has effects similar to LSD or hallucinogenic mushrooms, but is more intense, said Gordon Taylor, assistant special agent for the U.S. Drug Enforcement Administration in Sacramento.
"It's popular in club scenes in some areas, but we haven't seen it in the Sacramento area," Taylor said.
DMT can be smoked, snorted, injected or brewed into a tea, he said. It is derived from a plant, but synthetic versions are produced in illegal labs. In recent years, authorities have busted DMT labs in Mendocino County and Hollywood, he said.
Unlike drugs such as methamphetamines or PCP, DMT is not associated with violent behavior, Taylor said.
Jones was known on campus as a peaceful person, quiet and well-mannered. A professor described him as a devoted student; friends and roommates said he was thoughtful and a bit reserved.
Jones is the foster child of a San Francisco couple who have said Jones is a kind, loving son. His biological father, Willie Jones, said during an interview late Thursday night at UC Davis Medical Center that he had talked to his son just a few days before.
"It's hard to believe what happened," Jones said. "I really, really feel bad about the other people's son. I wished he hadn't died."
Willie Jones said his son is an inquisitive young man who had talked about entering the military.
"He's a really good kid," Willie Jones said. "(His) life's just getting started."
Dirrim said Jones "was looking for the greater truth in life."
"He had a feeling there was something greater he could be a part of, some form of ascension to a higher form of consciousness," Dirrim said.
Jones told his roommate DMT might lead to the type of experience he sought, Dirrim said. He said he never saw Jones take any drugs or drink alcohol. But "he mentioned a book called 'DMT: The Spirit Molecule' that talked about this extensively," Dirrim said.
The author of that book is Rick Straussman, a psychiatry professor at the University of New Mexico School of Medicine who conducted a large study on DMT in the early 1990s to see what kinds of reactions it caused.
Most of his subjects experienced visual hallucinations and out of body sensations, Straussman said. Some went into extreme emotional states, or felt anxious. But none of them became violent, he said.
"I've never heard of anybody attacking anybody after smoking DMT," Straussman said.
Dirrim said he didn't mention Jones' interest in DMT to police when they questioned him Wednesday following the attack. He said it didn't occur to him until later that night as he ruminated on the day's events. He sent Sacramento police a follow-up e-mail at 11:33 p.m.
"Quran takes an interest in hallucinogens in a spiritual context," Dirrim wrote.
"In particular, he has often discussed the compound Dimethyltryptamine or DMT as a gateway to powerful spiritual experiences. He had never taken it, though he has often expressed interest in the compound and the hallucinations and spiritual experiences that it produces. He has also extended this interest to other psychedelic compounds, though had never used any (to my knowledge)."
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Sat, October 31, 2009 - 6:28 PMWell he no took spice' low dose would have ca;med him' high dose he would of passed out' funky chicken stylee'
Spice in niteclub scenes ???
What would be the point of that ?
I dunno' it all sounds cookie to me'
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Tue, November 3, 2009 - 10:07 AMUrban Myths™. "Spice™" is generally a common name for brown heroin in the San Francisco night club scene. Heroin can create violent behavior, especially when impure, e.g., for example, brown.
"cookies™" are a generic term common in inner cities in America that refers to cooked cocaine freebase. On a relatively larger scale it resembles a "chocolate chip cookie".
In truth, the cause of death happened, hypothetically speaking, because of repeated low doses of LSD-25, which most likely originated from San Francisco, where one of the suitemates™ originated from.
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Sun, November 1, 2009 - 5:17 AM> It's popular in club scenes in some areas
Bullshit.
Sounds more like a pre existing psychological issue at work. I always suspect anti depressives when I hear of this sort of stuff. Curious how in many cases of extreme and unwarranted (unexplainable) violence 'medical' pharmaceuticals are at play but are failed to be mentioned or taken into serious consideration. People often get seriously violent or suicidal when getting off of them. Not saying that this is the case, but I highly suspect something on that order could be a causal factor. Romantic issues could play another potential role... perhaps even a combination of both. But DMT? No, not a chance.
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Tue, November 3, 2009 - 10:28 AMan anti-psychedelic agenda appears to be at work here
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Tue, November 3, 2009 - 5:50 PM"Straussman? Who the hell is Straussman? =) "
That would be Dr. Rick Strassman!!!
See what he is doing these days!!!
cottonwoodresearch.org/projects.php
cottonwoodresearch.org/
I've been deeply involved with this project for the past few months!
crfdl.org:1111/xmlui/
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Wed, November 4, 2009 - 8:35 AMI can't be the only one who thinks this: LEOs will jump on any opportunity to connect the mind openers to violent crimes, and so will newspapers. Smoked DMT as the smoking gun? I honestly believe that if this guy had smoked DMT it would have given him some perspective on this decision to kill that he had going on in his head somewhere, and would have more likely contributed to a peaceful resolution of his conflicts, and we would not have heard about it because nothing would have happened. And as far as killing people WHILE tripping on DMT, I would be very impressed to see someone stand up first. Formulate the thought all you want, you're not gonna get up until it's over. And then? I suppose it's possible. It upsets me to see this potential link between DMT and a murder being so prominent in this article, when they have not ascertained whether or not the guy had access to it in the first place. It's kinda like, "I heard my friend talk about motorcycles, he must have one somewhere, and that's possibly why he committed this crime" - I guess motorcycles aren't as "mind-altering" as DMT but you see what I'm getting at.
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Wed, November 4, 2009 - 9:46 AMTrust me, Dimi3 knows who Dr. Strassman. IMO he was just mocking the misspelling. -
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Wed, November 4, 2009 - 10:48 AMOrigianlly, before it became americanized english, it was straussman, like Levis Strauss. -
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Wed, November 4, 2009 - 5:40 PMYes, this is bullshit propaganda. A "new" drug, dmt comes into the radar, and they have to demonize it, reefer madness style. It worked in the 30's, and it works now, bc there is no shortage of redneck rightwing knuckleheads incapable of critical, unbiased thinking. There's no way a person could commit murder on a spiceflight. Can't happen. It's only possible to understand why if you've smoked it, otherwise, it's would be very, very hard for me to explane why. To a person inexperienced in the use of these powerful entheogens, it's just another "drug" problem. Technically, it IS a drug- but in all reality ( heeyok! What's that you say- reality?) it's SO much more than that.
Since when does a large amount of freebase coke look like a chocolate cookie? If it does, you rocked it up wrong, lol. Trust me on this one. I've rocked plenty of coke wrong ( and alot more correctly, heeyok!), never had any look like a chocolate chip cookie.
I'm not really hip to what kids are doing in the clubs these days, but since when is junk a club drug? Seems to me that heroin would lay you on down, and be either unwilling or incapable of dancing. I do junk, or other opiates, I don't wanna move around too much, unless it's an opiate like hydro or oxycodone, fentanyl, or, I dunno. Those are the only things that wire me. Otherwise, i'd be plenty happy to watch pretty girls bouncing andjiggling like only they can. But mostly, I thought the club scenes nowadays were about cid and shrooms and RC's. I dunno. I'm fucken' old. How'd that happen anyway?
Remember how they used to say in the 60's, never trust anyone over 30? Fuck, I can't trust anyone UNDER 30, unless I know 'em good. Aw, people of all ages are shifty. The best cons are old, bc, they've had years to hone their skills. I'm rambling. I have cannebehiemers' disease. Where's my fucken keys, and my beer? -
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Thu, November 5, 2009 - 3:55 PMYeah, I've heard of Dr. Strassman ;-)
One can hardly take the writer duo of this piece of crap report serious. And holy crap, it took two of them to get it totally wrong. Double wrong. You would think one would check the other... Whatever happened to investigative reporting? As in, get to know the facts before you make an utter ass out of yourself?
Thanos, LOL! That was seriously funny man. Big smiles ;-)
> Since when does a large amount of freebase coke look like a chocolate cookie?
Something tells me the authors of the piece of crap report need to reconsider their sources =)
Good luck 'classifying' something that's naturally present everywhere. Literally, everywhere.
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Thu, November 5, 2009 - 8:35 PMwhats with the " ™!™! ™ " stuff.....kinda reminds me of a troll that used to frequent these parts........ -
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Fri, November 6, 2009 - 12:00 PMOne and the same dude/troll Mu-raka !!
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Fri, November 6, 2009 - 1:30 PM> One and the same dude/troll
Yep, good ole Mark and his ever changing handles. He's been sorta behaving lately, so don't piss him off ;-) -
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Fri, November 6, 2009 - 2:32 PMHehehe
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Sat, November 7, 2009 - 11:10 PMha-woops, ah damn broke the spell by pointing out the trick.... ah well always good times....
ahhh peoples perpetuating their culture of fear, confuses the hell out of the unsuspecting sheeple's mind, makes them repeat fear for fact....
wheres the love i say....
"up with hope, down with dope".... say it with me folks....but do it with a grin....
hey who stole my soap box....
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Fri, November 6, 2009 - 2:30 PM"> It's popular in club scenes in some areas"..
I can imagine a back room with a bunch of people in LA laying on the floor with wild grins on their faces immediately after shitting their shiny pants ;-) -
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Fri, November 6, 2009 - 7:01 PMI shit a pair of parachute pants once. It was gnarley. The faster I ran, the more I shit, yuk yuk. -
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Fri, November 6, 2009 - 7:03 PMI mean to say, I was wearing them when I took a shit. I did not actually shit out a pair of parachute pants.
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Sat, November 7, 2009 - 1:27 PMI have seen a person at a festival puking... I asked around, and heard a rumor that he had taken Aya... This is DMT based trip... but, not smoking... I wonder if this is what TM trademark is referring to.
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