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tryptamin alkaloid test kit.

topic posted Sat, February 4, 2006 - 12:12 PM by  Unsubscribed
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Dose anyone know where to find... if available on line or somwhere else??
Thanxx. Sheen
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  • Re: tryptamin alkaloid test kit.

    Sat, February 11, 2006 - 5:59 AM
    you mean like a marquis/mecke/robadope/etc test?
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      Re: tryptamin alkaloid test kit.

      Wed, February 15, 2006 - 9:12 AM
      so i will guess that no one here knows. tell me if otherwise, please!
      • Re: tryptamin alkaloid test kit.

        Wed, February 15, 2006 - 12:47 PM
        I don't really think there's an affordable little tryptamine test kit out there. the closest thing are the kits sold by dancesafe, using the marquis and mecke reagants, they are generally used for testing "ecstasy" pills. even though dancesafe only a few drugs it can be used to test the presence of (mda, mdma, speed, 2cb, dxm), there are a plethora of other drugs that react in a unique manner when brought in contact with these testing reagants. here is the link...
        www.erowid.org/chemicals/..._kits.shtml
        dmt is not listed, though probably just cuz it doesn't show up in pressed pills. it's interesting, according to that erowid page, 2CI, 2CE and 2CC have distinct colored reactions, yet TMA2 and 2CB react identically. sometimes the distinction between reactions is quite subtle.
        your best bet would be knowing someone with access to GCMS or NMR, like a chemistry student or chemist. they don't even necessarily need to be trained to read it, just get a printout and post it online in a dopey chemistry forum and someone will gladly identify it for u. at least that's what I hear... :)
        • Re: tryptamin alkaloid test kit.

          Mon, February 20, 2006 - 5:11 PM
          i believe tlc kits (thin layer chromatography) are good at identifying alkaloid presence and even discerning some of them... however with the tryptamines if it is extracted rather then synthesised there is oodles of different tryptamines in the one alkaloid profile...
          generally we just taste the plant material for acrid bitter/sour taste and burn it to smell for the familiar smells...
          however we only ever do small personal trips to peru, not big statistically grounded research trips...
          ive always wanted to learn tlc so i had a better idea what exact tryptamines were in the plant materials, a GCMS (gas chromatography mass spectrowhatevr?) is the most scientifically acute and accurate way of finding out whats where and in what proportions, however access to such technology is extremely limited ... even the big players find it costly and sometimes out of reach...
          i would go with the dancesafe marquis reagent., it may give you some idea but is really unreliable for tryptamines/alkaloids... im pretty sure it mainly works with synthetics.

          anyhow, just my 2c
          ***E***
          • Re: tryptamin alkaloid test kit.

            Mon, February 20, 2006 - 5:12 PM
            damn lack of edit function!
            i mean WOULDNT go with the marquis reagent.... sorry
            • Re: tryptamin alkaloid test kit.

              Mon, February 20, 2006 - 11:33 PM
              Bio-impedance spectrography could be an affordable way, depending on what you consider to be affordable... An electron microscope could be useful too, if you're familiar or have the means to verify whatever it is you're looking at. ElKaBong mentioned biophotonics as a viable alternative somewhere in a previous thread as well. I'm into chemistry, but not nearly enough to give you any type of sound advice. Its an interesting question though. I can imagine however that an electron microscope, together with an imager with a computer interface would be the logical way to go. Such a setup would allow you to reference with existing databases, or better yet, allow you to automatically calculate the exact chemical composition in percentages of whatever you feed into a specialised graphic recognition software package. I do know that this is technically perfectly feasible and that such specialised software does exists, but I don't have further specifics for you at this point. In some places in Europe, you can actually send samples to certain lab for testing without fear of prosecution (anonimously). These are government sanctioned programs which function within the larger context of harm reduction, such as the legal distribution of sterile needles to heroin addicts to give an example. Some organisations even set up shop at large events and provide free testing of pills and such on the spot. Too bad such an enlightened humanitarian approach isn't accepted everywhere, in spite of the obvious benefits that such preventative methods have conclusively rendered to society at large. Hey, be sure to let us know if you come up with something interesting alright? Good luck.
              • Re: tryptamin alkaloid test kit.

                Tue, February 21, 2006 - 12:03 AM
                i spose it depends on whether u actually have crystal or extracted material, or whether your trying to test plant material... the latter would be a little more difficult as u would need to do an extraction from the plant material to do electron microscope work and also for tlc e.t.c..
                im not too savvy on the scientific/chemistry side of it, moreso just the intuitive work... but is there any testing you know of dimitri that can use plant material as the starter with relative ease? i.e little preperation prior to analysis rather then having to do the full extraction THEN analyze.
                • Re: tryptamin alkaloid test kit.

                  Tue, February 21, 2006 - 12:39 AM
                  My impression is that state of the art bio-impedance spectrography provides such an opportunity, to a certain degree at least. Some consider it as an emerging choice tool of research in the very near future. The principle of spectography has been around for a long time and it is actively applied in various ways and in numerous fields. Bio-impedance spectrography is a fairly recent development, but with ever expanding computational power, I'm willing to bet money on it leading us to "higher" grounds. Though currently still somewhat limited, bio-impedance spectrography provides a sensible avenue for non-invasive research, which is what attracts me the most about this technology.
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                    Re: tryptamin alkaloid test kit.

                    Thu, February 23, 2006 - 6:43 AM
                    Thank you guys for sharing knowledge! i accually ment a field test for tryptamins so you know.
                    unfortunately we dont have basic reserch data in this erea of ethnobotny in israel and we have lots of differen acacia spp growing here mucuna and phalaris as well.
                    i basically thought of something like a solution for deepping in a plant material or some sort of chim-paper that will react in alkaloid present for indication. or just something like a Phytoscreen that exsist for atropin & ergot alkaloids
                    view this link : dwww.agrinostics.com/shop/index.php . and get a better idea. mybe is already out ther or mybe its time to make one!!
                    Cheers & love!! SHEEN

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