Point to 2-3

topic posted Fri, October 16, 2009 - 3:03 AM by  Nobuoni +
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Point' straight line' right angle' then split through the two hemispheres of the brain into 3 dimensional perception'
Right side 2' left side one = 3'

Without the brains processors' we would have no 3 dimensional perception'

The brain makes all of this for us'

Keep things simple'

working old ground here again'

Bliss!

Nobu +

The right is the left hand by reflection :)))

Psychi schooling in progress'
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  • Re: Point to 2-3

    Fri, October 16, 2009 - 7:21 PM
    every photon you observe instantly collapses and creates matter.
    No two people can obsereve the same photon.

    The photon at the source of light is the exact same photon that enters the brain, it is in 2 places at once.

    In a sense the whole of existence is projected and stablized by DNA.

    A projected and sustained standing wave form.

    where are you gonna be when the flash hits?
    • Re: Point to 2-3

      Sat, October 17, 2009 - 3:24 AM
      questions:

      why is it impossible, rather than a high mathematical improbability that no two people can observe the same photon?

      how does DNA emit a standing wave form through which existence projected and stabilized?

      the flash? elaborate...

      it reminds me of a few recent meditations I've had in which I see everyone in the world saying at the same moment: 'What just happened?'
    • Re: Point to 2-3

      Sat, October 17, 2009 - 4:03 AM
      how does DNA emit a standing wave form through which existence projected and stabilized?


      I see DNA as the prism if you like' the prism that collapses the photon into a standing wave'

      Frequency !

      If the photon is no observed by DNA then it continues as a photon' but the instant the photon is grabbed by the focal point of consciousness it collapses into 3 dimensional perception'
      Everything outside of visual screen/perception is continuous' multi-dimensional'

      Bliss!

      Nobu +
      • Re: Point to 2-3

        Sat, October 17, 2009 - 1:35 PM
        Francis Crick was certian that the DNA molocule either didnt originate on Earth, maybe not this demension at all because of its complete complexity and order surpass any previous form from which it could have been built from.

        The DNA double helix with its left and right side could be used to represent alot of polorizations in the universe.
        Like future-past,
        dark- light,
        left brain - right brain,

        But ultimatley it can represent the forces that seem to be battling it out right now on this planet, that of the Feminine Earth Goddess love expression against the Ego minded nation state military industrial expression.

        Private jails being built to make PROFIT off people who are charged for marijuana possesion is one of the darkest slippery slopes that is an ultimate expression of the ego based side. The manifestation of corporations that are gaining so much (fake) power, building stronger borders between so called states, ect ect. These are very strong indicaters of what I can only call the dark side.

        The other side, the feminine , ego transended love expression , rave culture, psychedelic, arts is building just as much momentum, we hear all the time of a great awakening sweeping the planet.

        Its the polaritys of these 2 sides that are like codes or equations within the DNA projected standing wave form. an inherent rule that drives this existence forward.

        The flash so to speak that is coming, some call it the singularity, could be any where from a simple feed back loop akin to putting a micro-phone close to a speaker, and all that we are will shine back at us naked an pure, all masks will drop, or it could be as severe as the entire standing wave -form under goes its own collapse and we will all find ourselves in an infinite hyper-space, similar to the lucid dreaming state, or Samadhi state, with all of the achivements evolution has created there along side the denizens of this space. A populated space of ecstasy (which to me seems to be the eventual point of the universe)

        It seems to me that this moment seems to be the crowning acheivement of DNA. There are probally other planets in the univerese that have already undergone this transformation, maybe the denizens we see in the hyper DMT space are previous beings who have already gone thru this transformation. DNA is like an egg that grows into a hyper-space heaven if it makes it that far.

        I think it is quite possible that this transformation can be halted and snuffed out. There are probally alot of planets that have come close and failed to make the transition.

        This thought scares me a little, thinking that the industrial military EGO based nation state could possibly ruin this moment in the planets possible transiton.

        But it has always been promised that the side of the love will be victorious so to speak. I imagine that even the dominater power hungry people, once we get to a certain point, will cease to be able to resist the truth of our nature and will completely surender when the moment comes.......its possible.


        • Re: Point to 2-3

          Sun, October 18, 2009 - 1:56 PM
          Not to sound argumentative, because I do in fact understand what you are suggesting, but a couple of your statements may be scientifically refuted. Disclaimer: science is not the end-all [to me] but just another aspect of human sensibilities, albeit one which aims to be as 'objective' as possible (while in itself limited to its strict rules of observation).


          ?? 8) ??: "every photon you observe instantly collapses and creates matter."

          We never actually observe "one" single photon but a stream of them as they interact with matter or are emitted from matter, unless you are somehow able to track the trajectory of one discrete photon at the speed of light, regardless of whether you see it interact with matter ;-)
          Photons do not create matter. Photons result from material objects which emit and absorb light, light being a quanta of photons. What we end up observing are reflected "wave packets."


          ?? 8) ??: "No two people can obsereve the same photon."

          Yes and no.
          1) we can't observe individual photons, only their interaction with matter (through reflection)
          2) Two (and more) people can observe the interaction of the same set of photons (quanta of light) with matter through reflection, given its 'wave packet' falls within our sensory limits.


          ?? 8) ??: "The photon at the source of light is the exact same photon that enters the brain, it is in 2 places at once."

          1) No photons actually enter the brain as far as we know (not for visual perception's sake at least). Photons (or wave packets rather) hit the retina and trigger an electrical impulse which travels to our visual processing centre (visual cortex) where an image gets 'abstracted' based on these impulses. This is not objective reality but a broken down and reconstituted abstraction from a heavily filtered sensory data stream. As a side note, there is a hypothesis that photons may be held in a quantum state, possibly inside the retina (see photon echo experiment) which would point to quantum processing taking place in the brain... Also, phosphorescent aspects of psilocybin may produce some form of "light" inside the brain. The Light of Mind...?
          2) You are referring to superpositioned states and/or particle entaglement. We do not physically observe (outside of laboratory settings) superpositioned photonic states. As with all elementary particles, photons are governed by quantum mechanics and will exhibit wave-particle duality. See the famous "double slit' experiment for more on this. Bottom line: a human being cannot naturally observe a superpositioned set of particles, let alone one single particle. See also Heisenberg's Uncertainty Principle and the observer effect (explains why it is impossible to measure simultaneously both position and velocity of a microscopic particle with any degree of accuracy or certainty).


          --


          ?? 8) ??: "I think it is quite possible that this transformation can be halted and snuffed out. There are probally alot of planets that have come close and failed to make the transition."

          Our planet is like a seedling. It will sprout when conditions are right, or mature conditionally to state it differently. A lot of energy has been invested in this seed... Contrary to what some may think, the universe is incredibly efficient and logical, just like the rest of nature. We are star-matter. The atoms which make up our bodies will be part of stars again some day. Nothing really gets wasted. And if something doesn't work (like say the dinosaurs), there will be a reset. So far so good. We've come a long way. In fact, we've come too far for the universe to make a drastic course change which would include our demise; not logical. More so, I believe we are right on track, and that what we see in terms of global instability (on all fronts) right now is a *fearful* expression of a self willed cataclysm destined to propel us towards the next evolutionary phase. We are at our best when cornered.


          ?? 8) ??: "This thought scares me a little, thinking that the industrial military EGO based nation state could possibly ruin this moment in the planets possible transiton."

          This will simply not be allowed ;-)

          Besides, such power is not reserved for us. We like to think that we are in control, but we are not. We play a functional role in the grand scheme of things. Without such a role, the universe would have no need for us. Luckily, the universe is flawless in its long term design, and for now, it looks like the stakes are getting upped a bit for evolution's sake. Metaphor: we are little birdies that are maturing, and mother bird (nature) is prodding us to spread our wings for the first time. Yes, somewhat terrifying, but I have absolute trust (that we can fly) ;-)

          • Re: Point to 2-3

            Sun, October 18, 2009 - 6:38 PM
            very nice, dimi3!

            although I'm not 100% convinced of this: "In fact, we've come too far for the universe to make a drastic course change which would include our demise; not logical."

            For one thing, can we assume that the universe's logic corresponds to our own?

            I suppose it depends on what you mean by "demise." :)
          • Re: Point to 2-3

            Mon, October 19, 2009 - 12:43 AM
            1) No photons actually enter the brain ???

            Abstract :-

            Penrose and Hameroff suggested that microtublesin living systems functioned as quantum computers,with tublin proteins in macrotubles acting as quantumbits of computation[1]. Georgiev has supposed that mindis a macroscopic quantum wave governing the dynamics of quantum coherent cytoskeletal protein system inside the cytoplasm of the brain corticalneurons[2]. The cytoskeletal protein conformationalstates are entangled and condensation of evanescent(tunneling) photons emitted by the ordered water thatforms coherent domains in its interaction with the localelectromagnetic field. Georgiev pointed out that createdevanescent photons have negative energy and areshown to be capable of realizing group velocity fasterthan light velocity in vacuum. It was also proposed by[3-5] that the conscious process in the brain is related withthe macroscopic condensates of massive evanescentphotons generated by the Higgs mechanism. Theyclaimed that human consciousness can be understand asarising from those creation-annihilation dynamics of afinite number of evanescent photons in the brain.

            The cytoskelton of biological cells,including neurons of the brain, is made up ofmicrotubles as shown in Fig. 1[13]. The human braincontains about 10^18 tublins. Each microtuble is a hollowcylindrical tube of tublin proteins , which outer corediameter is 25 nm, as shown in Fig. 2. Hameroff and Tuszynski proposed that microtublesubunit tublins undergo coherent excitations, whichleads to the automatic sequence where quantumcoherence superposition is emerged in certain tublinsand consciousness is occurred as shown in Fig. 3[1].According to their hypothesis of quantum brain,microtuble quantum states link to those of otherneurons by quantum coherent photons tunnelingthrough membranes in biological systems functioningin a way resembled as an ion trap computers. In theinfra-red spectrum region, evanescent photons theywould propagate losslessly in a microtubule as shownin Fig. 4. From Eq. 18 and 19, an increase of qubit size toperform computation by the evanescent photoncompared with the conventional computation, whenFig. 1: Cytoskelton of biological cells, includingneurons of the brain satisfying ∆L<L, can be obtained as shown in Fig. 5at the wavelength in the infra-red region, when we let d≈ 15 nm, which is of the same order as the extracellularspace between the brain cells.From which, it is seen that the biological brain hasthe possibility to perform high efficient computation upto 20 qubits more than conventional silicon processorsfor the infrared light, which wavelength is λ = 100µm,with the same energy dissipation.

            Conciousness is self sentient .:)

            Bliss!

            Nobu +
            • Re: Point to 2-3

              Mon, October 19, 2009 - 4:56 AM
              Conciousness is God' ego a name game' the keys are in the ordered water'
              Multi-fractal-geometric-holographic-memory-verse !!
              No thing ever lost'
              DNA is a vast organic processing unit' recording and acting on everything'

              It seems that DNA can change matter' create of it even'

              I am feeling that DNA created this verse along with uncountable others'

              Bliss!

              Nobu +
            • Re: Point to 2-3

              Mon, October 19, 2009 - 9:26 AM
              Thanks for the reminder Nobu. I am actually familiar with the Penrose-Hamerhoff microtubules hypothesis. I'm loosely convinced that there is quantum computing and maybe even photonic computing taking place in the brain. There is in fact photonic activity in the brain, because after all, there is also electromagnetic activity in the brain (note: a photon is the quantum of the electromagnetic field). If you read my comments carefully, you'll realise that I was addressing the idea of photons *entering* the brain through the eyes, not whether or not there is any photonic activity inside the brain. BTW, where did you get that abstract?

              What I said was: "1) No photons actually enter the brain as far as we know (not for visual perception's sake at least)."

              But you know, photons may somehow enter the brain. Some hypothesise that photons are 'unstoppable' once they are generated. What exactly is meant by this is unclear. We know that some particles such as neutrinos pass through everything; dust, rock, planets... everything. Do photons travel beyond the retina? Not as far as we know at this point. But hey, we can't know absolutely totally for sure, right? ;-)

              --

              Good points Madeleine, as always.

              Madeleine: "can we assume that the universe's logic corresponds to our own?"

              If mathematics is an abstraction from the language of the universe (logic), then I'd say yes, pending our logic is correct =)

              But we cannot possible hope to encompass all variables in our thinking, which is where *faith* comes in. Intuition is a better word. Would we be able to make sense out of say a meteor or comet impacting the earth? Based on my assumption that the universe constantly seeks a state of perfect equilibrium in which it applies the laws of nature (and this includes an element of perpetual "chaos"), then I'd say yes... and that there has to be some form of functional sense -always- in even a cataclysmic cosmic event. No mistakes, no coincidences. Hindu cosmology offers the perfect analogy. Turns out that the current state of physics is beginning to look curiously compatible with many age-old mystical beliefs. Destruction and creation being interlocked properties without which there is no life; no progress... But spirit cannot be destroyed (and I'm not even sure if it can be "created"). I strongly believe that the universe itself seeks to grow and evolve and that our evolution next to that of countless of other life-forms (some of which far more advanced than us) plays a functional role in this cosmic evolution. There is a timetable that's been set (universal heat-death being the absolute limit). We are a functional part of all that is, and all that is will always include us. Is my thinking beginning to catch on yet? 8))

              I'm reminded of Richard Dawkin's "The Blind Watchmaker." Meditate upon this title.

              My time in hyperspace has instilled within me a deep sense of trust in the mystery, and a sense that whatever happens is supposed to happen and must happen, for a greater good. Kinda like falling for the sake of not falling again. Maybe my optimism and trust has something to do with having experienced -ever so briefly- a future(?) self which experienced the deepest possible sense of love and caring permeating the entire spectrum of consciousness... The message is unmistakable, as is love -- 'nuff said =)

              Madeleine: "I suppose it depends on what you mean by "demise." :) "

              Yes, context is everything :)

              No room for doomsday scenarios in my cosmology though.
              • Re: Point to 2-3

                Tue, October 20, 2009 - 7:10 AM
                Further research into Penrose-Hamerhoff microtubules hypothesis' debunks it as bunk !!

                Microtubules are present in all living cells' plants included' drugs are known that damage the tubules but conciousness is un-affected' drugs are known that obliterate conciousness and have no effect on microtubules'

                Also if this system is to work' each microtubule would have to communicate with the next one to make conciousness continious' but this system must be isolated for it to work :)))

                Some quite angry folks over all of this'

                The microtubules hypothesis is cited' but research by a layman as myself reveals massive holes'

                Unreal eh ?

                Twas a nice idea until I ripped it to pieces hahaha !!

                Bliss!

                Nobu +
                • Re: Point to 2-3

                  Tue, November 17, 2009 - 9:44 AM
                  You bet me to it - The microtubles hypothesis has been pretty much shredded ... they even did a comedy sketch of it at Hammerhoff's Consciousness Seminar in Arizona a couple of years ago
    • Re: Point to 2-3

      Thu, November 19, 2009 - 5:43 AM
      a dangerous game to play that will lead to confusion and then to clarity. some similar points are made in tryptamine palace regarding electrons - that they do not exist. the danger lies in the interpretation. you can't say this shit to a physicist or a chemist. for most of them electrons are real. this is probably because there is a gap of knoweldge and the electron concept happens to nicely fill that gap. for me, as a chemist, structural biologist, dj, artist, traveller, it doesn't really matter. what you gonna do with this knowledge when you;ve worked it all out? nobody gonna believe you and you can't prove it. if you can think of a test or experiment to prove any or all of these ideas, you should go for it big time. bottom line is that you're into stuff that is not mainstream and won't be easily accepted, whether it is right or not. i leave you with the ancient words of wisdon:

      wo, wo, wo, wo, camouflage, tings are neva quite da way dey seem!
      wo, wo, wo, wo, camouflage, life is but a dream within a dream!

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