These characteristics are held in tact by you and me. A rock (I assume) cant feel the heat from the sun) This is a phenomona that is intimately associated with LIFE.

I have to disagree' "You are limiting the experience of LIFE to only biological carbon based life forms' The whole universe is alive' every atom speaking/communicating with each other' Just becasue we experience solid objects' sitting in a state of stasis' has no bearing' only to time and space' Looking a the age of the solid matter in our universe' we' Life are insignificant' as a soft water based form' the water' the light' the atoms' molecules' where here before us' they communicated with each other in a specific order'
So the rocks as you say are a living entity' the universe conciusness focused through our perseptions' the same as the universe is reflected in the vibrations of everything we are able to experience through our sences' hence saying' "This is real" Real to whom ?
Time is the illusion' for if you slow it down through death' it dialates and expands' if you speed it up' time becomes extremely small' it's own microcosm'
As you say Cinn' these are all only big brain concepts' in the grand scale of a vast dimension that we inhabit' oh so a tiny grain of' to go with the flow of the order of the universe and the nature we live in' would seem the only way to go'
Mankind is an ant in the face of evelution of matter'
It is the matter of the universe et anti-matter that is sentient'
We just came along for the ride'
A cancer like phenomenon' the likes of a mushroom mycila'
If carbon based big brain life forms had no existence' the solar system' gallaxies' the universe as a whole would carry on' experiencing itself'
We tend to look at our universe as being extremely big'
I say it is only a microcosm of a much larger more intricate being/entity'
We get to glimps a tiny piece of this being' as of when we journey'
If we say that the universe is alive' as through our conciousness perceptions it most deffinitaly is' then of what is the universe living in ! !
Like a blood cell in the human body' is it's sentience' of itself' or is it communicating with other cells' exchanging something!
It seems to be a very narrow view of the field as a whole' if we say' Our universe' we live in it'
Billions upon billions of univerese all living inside of and outside of ours' ours living inside and outside of millions of others' the matter has a purpose' but the matter of the whole is very small in comparison ot all the energies' of voids' that if voids obviously hold substance of some sort becasue we can experience them as voids'
We reach a problem with man's expansion' upon a tiny grain of sand' microcosm physical' macrocosm psychi mind'
Mind lives outside and insid of the body' to our perceptions'
It is our limited perseptions that say we live in our heads' in our bodies'
We are inteligent life' meaning of what exactly'
Rocks are alive' they feel the heat of the sun' in a glimpse of an eye blink' we look at matter within the bounds of time an space' time to an atom is only relative as of from where we are looking at it'
What if we had no time system' there was no motion of the planets the stars for us to get reference location' would we still percieve ourselves as moving forewards' would mind still be able to travel vast distances' if everything stood still' became still shot' would life still be able to experience itself'
Matter as we percieve it shall outlive mankind' the same way as it was here before' Mankind shall die like the suns shall die' Everything shall turn in on itself' fall through it's own centre' an start all over again' it is the sentience of gravity that hold the keys to of what we seek of knowing the universe we live in'
Planets have no gravity' gravity is a fishnet stocking' that the balls of the planets sit in and stretch'

Questions and journeys' the answer shall one day be known'
But all these questions seem futile in the grand scale of things' because our lives are so tiny' so insignificant'
The miracle of our lives though has enables us a glimpse into eternity'
For of what purpose'
No purpose other than to relate in a living system' in harmony ? well we all know the answer to that'

Scientists in another dimension have the entity patient in hospital and are desperately trying to save them from the ravishes of teminal cancer ! !

Ez

Nobunoni +

Plamet earth shall go on doing of what she is doing long after mankind has moved' he shall create of new worlds else where' so that he may learn of his inherant trait for self destructiion' Sound beofre light'
I would have thought that a being as so called inteligent as man' would have a grasp of actualy how to live within the system in harmony'
I am guilty as all of us' it is in our nature' to consume to live'
The sun concumes hydogen'

The universe eats the light' giving us conciousness' ultimatley everything turns into light' like the signal inside of a nerve'
We as beings are trying to be part of that signal' that connects to a big brain ?
The universe is but a complex cell' flowing in the blood stream of a living entity' the living entity obviously lives inside of another living entity' conversing in harmony'
Start with a rectangle' rotate it and it slowly expands' conciousness is able to peer through this vortex !
The votex is the creation point of gravity'
Of what is on the other side of this pinpoint' only the signal of light running up the nerve is all'
No thing exists without an obvsever ! !

Bliss

Nobunoni +

Cinn, I understand what you are pointing out. I'm not disagreeing with the fact that there is a progressive aspect to biological/chemical systems. However, you are reasoning within a linear frame, which accounts for a successive/evolutionary process. Not everything however is bound by time. We are used to reasoning from an interlocked time/space reference. You take time away, what remains? What we see and experience (physical reality) represents but a tiny thin sliver of what's out there. Some of it transcends time/space, I'm sure. I believe in a *life* source which is timeless and isn't affected in any way by the boundaries of human reasoning, past, current or future. I can therefor not explain it any further, visit hyperspace ;-)

Nobu: "As to time' time is only a sign post for to get memory reference from' a creation' for to express motion' "

Heh, nice one!


Nobu: "Time is a cone' it's fabric is held together by past to now' now only creates new pasts' as a reference to look back to'
So time is both now and past'"

And what about the future?
Or hypothetical constructs such as "lateral time"?

Nobu: "Time is memory' memory of motion' "

Yes, but strictly memory? What about the present then?



Check this:

Approaching end of Stage Two
100th.tribe.net/thread/2b1...22e13882b7d

"So... is the nature of the universe dual then?

The mirror and the reflection' 8' "

When I picture this in my head, I dont see a dual but triad. Theres the mirror (1), then the reflection that is on the mirror (2) then the thing that is being reflected (3)


interesting