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5 methoxy dmt

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anybody know what the physical reaction to 5 methoxy DMT is like and any dangers?
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  • dimi3
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    Re: 5 methoxy dmt

    Fri, December 5, 2008 - 2:12 PM
    What do you mean exactly by physical reaction? Like what type of body load to expect or something? For starters, an active dose of 5-MeO DMT is considerably smaller than N,N DMT. Both are however considered virtually non toxic and break down rapidly. After all, the body knows these substances... I'd say in 'normal doses' neither variety is hard on the body. A full-on 5-MeO DMT experience does tend to mentally disconnect a subject from his/her body. It is not uncommon to see someone wiggle and roll about without focus while "out there."


    Perhaps you'll find your answer in these three recorded *potential* aspects of a 5-MeO DMT experience:

    Positive

    * immersive experiences
    * powerful "rushing" sensation
    * radical perspective shifting
    * profound life-changing spiritual experiences
    * some people experience erotic / sensual enhancement
    * occasional euphoria
    * internal visions (actual visual effects not as common)
    * journey into mind


    Neutral

    * short duration
    * change in perception of time
    * experience of "the void"
    * lack of memory of experience
    * muscle jerking, twitching, abnormal vocalizations
    * unconsciousness / nonresponsiveness lasting 5-20 minutes
    * dissociation


    Negative

    * overly-intense experiences
    * nausea
    * sense of pressure in the body
    * hard on the lungs to smoke
    * difficulty integrating experiences
    * fear, terror and panic
    * dysphoria (bad feelings)
    * fast onset and intensity can lead to problems if not prepared (dropped pipe, knocking things over, falling & hitting head, etc)

    source: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/5-MeO-DMT



    I'd say all these aspect could be valid for N,N DMT as well, pending variables in set, setting and dose. 5-MeO DMT without a doubt is more intense, so much more so that it might as well be classified as something entirely different. To me personally, both N,N and 5-MeO variants are wonderful in their own right and are actually almost incomparable, experience-wise.
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    • dimi3
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      Re: 5 methoxy dmt

      Fri, December 5, 2008 - 2:25 PM
      One possible danger aspect of 5-MeO DMT is that you could hurt yourself while not fully conscious of your physical body. Subjects must be monitored and safeguarded from physically hurting themselves. This is covered in choosing a proper set and setting.

      Another aspect of potential danger is that one can expect a serious adrenaline rush, resulting in sudden metabolic changes including an increased heart rate... Under normal circumstances, meaning the subject is in proper health, this isn't generally considered an issue of concern.

      Despite being listed as controlled substances in large parts of the world, both N,N DMT and 5-MeO DMT are relatively safe compounds, and neither are habit forming.
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    • Now
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      Re: 5 methoxy dmt

      Tue, February 17, 2009 - 3:40 AM
      Do you know what would happen if one were to inhale say 50-75 mg of 5 MeO? I've never heard of anyone being hurt physically from it, but I have heard of people who exceed 30 mgs needing psychiatric help. Swim has gone with 25-30mgs of MeO and 40-50mgs of NN and came out fine, in fact at the 3 minute mark. I was just wondering what, if any, worse case scenarios you may have heard of. I know it causes an adrenaline spike, could a healthy person die from to big of a smoked dose?
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      • Nobu...
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        Re: 5 methoxy dmt

        Tue, February 17, 2009 - 6:37 AM
        To big a dose and you sufforcate' ie' stop breathing'
        I once hit a large 120mg + of nn' and stopped breathing for nearly 3 minutes'
        I had to be slapped up a bit to get me to come back'
        High doses also cause over-heating of the body and starve the brain of oxygen'
        So yes' you can od'
        As to the adrenalin spike' if you are healthy your heart shall be fine'
        50mg of nn is an average dose' 100mg the outer limits'
        I have known folks to greatly exceed this also' and be unconcious for 10 minutes'

        Be safe

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        • dimi3
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          Re: 5 methoxy dmt

          Wed, February 18, 2009 - 11:19 AM
          With 5-MeO DMT, Swim would advocate for the smallest possible threshold dose: 8-10 mgs (2-3 full inhalations when vaporised). 12-15 mgs is standard. Heroic doses of 5-MeO DMT exponentially suppress memory of the experience, in many if not most cases anyways. With 5-MeO DMT, less is more, Swim says.

          N,N's threshold dose is set at 50-60 mgs. This translates into 3-6 full inhalations when vaporised.
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  • Oroc
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    Re: 5 methoxy dmt

    Sat, December 6, 2008 - 7:22 AM
    The original version of my book on 5-MeO-DMT called Tryptamine Palace (which would answer all your queries in detail) is still availabe on www.lulu.com.

    Inner Traditions will be publishing a 'newer' version in June if you can wait.

    Oroc
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