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If I have a mechanical heart valve do you think it's dangerous for me to try dmt or ayahuasca? I so want to take my first journey. I think about it all the time. I'm not totally obsessed with it but to a great extent, yes, I am obsessed and think about it all the time. I'm hesitant and scared. But I feel the same way when I smoke weed now. I just feel like it's calling me. It's saying come here young man. We have things you need to learn and know over here. It's just scarey to me because I feel like the cenobytes from Hellraiser are going to be up in my face. Like fuckin' Pinhead is gonna take me to hell and back. Just not sure if I can live through it. Is there any info / stats on if people have died from dmt?
"YOURE PAIN WILL SEEM LIKE A MEMORY OF HEAVEN!!!" - Pinhead
And yes I know that ultimately it will have to be my personal choice / decision. Anyone in my area willing to help me on my journey?
"When you've made your secret journey, you will be a Holy Man. - The Police / Sting ( Sting has done Ayahuasca and speaks about it in the first chapter of his autobiography. )
"YOURE PAIN WILL SEEM LIKE A MEMORY OF HEAVEN!!!" - Pinhead
And yes I know that ultimately it will have to be my personal choice / decision. Anyone in my area willing to help me on my journey?
"When you've made your secret journey, you will be a Holy Man. - The Police / Sting ( Sting has done Ayahuasca and speaks about it in the first chapter of his autobiography. )
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Wed, October 10, 2007 - 7:31 PMWell, I do know that when swim smoked, his heart rate went way up, quickly, for several minutes. I do know that I personally would not want to be thinking about a mechanical heart valve going haywire during a trip, but then, I can't think at all during spice ride. As far as aya, who knows? Maybe pulse rate would be lower because there is no sudden shock like smoked spice. All in all, I probably wouldn't do it, unless I had not too much left to lose. Be careful. Perhaps a meager amount on a bowl of herbs, 5 or 10 mg, just to see what happens. Hellraiser movies might not fit into the best category for set and setting...... -
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Wed, October 10, 2007 - 8:01 PMHellraiser movies. lol
I was thinking the smallest possible amount to have some kind of experience with it would be best. Then maybe if I felt like going again could increase a little. After reading what I have read about it I am always thinkng about it. It just seems virtually impossible to obtain. Just like Opium and Morphine. My preferred alterations. Supposedly flooding the world yet so hard to come by in my world for some reason. I suppose if I keep searching like Neo eventually one day I will be able to follow the white rabbit.
But just for the record, does everyone remember that video with that lady that did it in her butt? Yeah, I don't want to do that. Not that I have anything against the booty love but with dmt, ? No thanks. lol I'm thinking maybe I might need to be restrained and with compassionate caring people that can help me through it. And even if I die, then they can ............. I wish I could do it legally under the supervision of the author of Spirit Molecule. I wonder if Strausman has written any books after that one? I havent been keeping up with things.
I am also interested to know if anyone here likes the artist Alex Grey? And please forgive my ignorance if I should know this, but is his art dmt related? I love his art and just wondering if it is a result of aya or dmt or lsd or other things or just comes naturally clean and sober? Even though I love his art I honestly dont know that much about him. -
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Wed, October 10, 2007 - 10:44 PMDid you say you have Strassman's book? If so, have a look at page 144 where he says:
"On average, heart rate, or pulse, bolted from about 70 beats per minute up to 100. The range, however, was wide. Some subjects' pulse climbed up to 150, while others' got no higher than 95. Blood pressure also jumped from values of about 110/70 to an average of 145/100. Heart rate and blood pressure fell as rapidly as they rose, already beginning to taper off between the 2- and 5-minute marks."
Do you have a doctor that you can consult? If so, you might refer her or him to this reference:
Strassman RJ, Qualls CR. “Dose-response study of N,N-dimethyltryptamine in humans. I. Neuroendocrine, autonomic, and cardiovascular effects”. Arch Gen Psychiatry. 1994;51(2):85-97.
You may prefer to ask more general questions about activities that trigger very rapid, intense increases in pulse and blood pressure.
Other advice - please don't ask for help finding illegal substances on an open forum. That doesn't just put yourself at risk, it puts anyone who replies at risk as well. -
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Thu, October 11, 2007 - 12:28 AMthere was a post about this a while back that shed a little light on the subject, & like you said, ultimately its up to you...
check it out...
dmt.tribe.net/thread/3984...3a80b78ad4ce
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Fri, October 12, 2007 - 6:16 AMI made a statement not a request and I understand the risk. Did I ask if someone could get me some and forgot? I looked back over the last two posts and didnt see myself requesting if anyone could get me some. God. Tribe is really getting old. -
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Fri, October 12, 2007 - 11:03 AMHuh?
Didn't you start this thread by asking "If I have a mechanical heart valve do you think it's dangerous for me to try dmt or ayahuasca?" And didn't you then ask "Anyone in my area willing to help me on my journey?" -
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Fri, October 12, 2007 - 6:55 PMThere's a difference between asking for help through a trip and asking for someone to provide it for me. Apparently it will find me when it's time. That's what everyone always says. Perhaps it's true but I think that at some point you actually have to actively pursue obtaining it. I'm pretty sure it's not going to magically appear on my kitchen table one day. So I guess maybe I should wait till I find some and then ask someone to help me though the experience. Or maybe I should just start reading alot and become some scientist like alot of people apparently are. Making it yourself sounds kind of difficult from what I've read. Maybe I should just call up Straussman and ask him if I can visit him someday. : )
"Um. Yes. Mr. Strassman. My name is Mr. M and I'd like you to let me hang out wth you for two or three days. Can you please record me on video so I can post it on YouTube too?"
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Sat, October 13, 2007 - 4:25 PMMaking it yourself is really, really simple. Assuming you live in USA.
Buy some MHRB online, grind it all up, and put it in a big tub of water. Basify the water with Red Devil drain cleaner, to a ph of 14. Let it sit overnight, then add 500mL of naptha. Mix it around, let it sit overnight again, then heat up the water, and suck off the naptha with a turkey baster. Evaporate the naptha outside, a fan helps, down to 50mL or thereabouts, pop in the freezer for 3 days, and vwella, you have spice.
If you do actually go through with this, i'd be very, very willing to help you through it. When I first started it was very hard to understand the teks, and if i'd had someone helping me through it, I suppose it would of been alot easier.
I live in Australia, and finding plant material high in DMT, isn't as easy as ordering it online. Ahh well, I eventually got there. -
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Sat, October 13, 2007 - 8:59 PMMHRB, Basify, Red Devil drain cleaner, naptha?
That doesnt require a PHD? Guess I have some reading to do.
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Sun, October 14, 2007 - 8:11 PMMr. M - I'm sorry if my comments caused any static. They were well-intentioned, if off-target. -
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Sun, October 14, 2007 - 8:20 PMI didnt see them as negative. I'm just honestly not knowledgable about these things. That's why I am here to learn and I appreciate your input. If nothing else I can take what youve said and research further on my own. I can be lazy and like more info so I dont have to dig too deep myself. lol I spread myself pretty thin due to interests in many different subjects as well as trying to incorporate or balance my personal life with the work life. Work takes alot out of me and this is a big reason I like things to be fairly simple when I'm on my on clock.
No big. Don't fret. I didnt mean to come off as abrasive either. As far as I'm concerned we are all in this together. This is a major reason I love this tribe so much. It does seem like family. Like people that actually truly give a damn about each other as opposed to the infighting and flaming that occur on alot of other tribes. Not that I'm not guilty of feeding those flames but I assure you I always feel very justified when I do. lol
And feel free to call me Grasshopper. Maybe I should change my name to that. : )
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Sun, October 28, 2007 - 8:07 PMThey don't sell red devil anymore, probably because of tweakers. Online candle/soap supply houses can provide the lye, and I've heard of people using lime.
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Mon, October 15, 2007 - 4:53 AMBuy some MHRB online, grind it all up, and put it in a big tub of water. Basify the water with Red Devil drain cleaner, to a ph of 14. Let it sit overnight, then add 500mL of naptha. Mix it around, let it sit overnight again, then heat up the water, and suck off the naptha with a turkey baster. Evaporate the naptha outside, a fan helps, down to 50mL or thereabouts, pop in the freezer for 3 days, and vwella, you have spice.
Correction'
Vwalla you have DEATH'
No no no no no no no no no no non non non non no no no no 88888888!!!!!!!!!!!!!! and fuckin loads more No No No !!!
And I stress again NO!
Fucking hell dude who the fuck told you that shit'
Don't use of what you get from that cook it will be extreemly hard and hot'
You stick that shit in your lungs you ain't going to have none left after two pipes, brain or lung tissue'
and you will just be bubbling blood untill you can't breath'
You can't terrorise the mole at ph 14 not even for .000001 of a seconed,
without giving it something to jump into' and anyway ph14 will burn the crap oit of the poor old mole making it extreemly light'
I stress most seriously people do not do or use from this above tech'
Sodium Hyroxide melts skin tissue like "ICE CREAM" in the Sun'
Matt'
You would do seriously well to study some basic chemistry bro' Base/acid/base' Polar extraction
or acid/base' Polar extraction'
The above tech you used it is extreemly dangerious'
This has all been posted before, go back and read some threads and if you are still confused'
ASK'
Motumba'
FUCKIN HELL'
It is kitchen chemistry bro'
Not one quick walk to a dirt box'
Folks don't ask this dude, cos if this is his tech he doesn't know'
Anyone with base chemistry knowledge will tell you of what I say'
DON@T USE THIS TECH !!!!
Unless you are tired of living that is'
Tired of living Matt??????
Did you check the ph of the resultant burnt spice'
Did you wash this burnt spice before you used it'
You are a very dangerious man'
If you have any of this product flush it down the toilet'
Don't give it to anyone unless you want to kill them that is!
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Mon, October 15, 2007 - 5:23 AMHence my raised eyebrow. I wasnt sure so thank you Motumba. Damn! You know I was about to try to figure that shit out too right? lol I feel like I was just saved from buying synthetic heroin from an unknown "destroyer". Thanks for the floatation device. I'll swim back to shore now and get my arse to learnin'.
It's strange that Matts profile says he's 18, has zero friends, zero pictures and is only on one tribe. This one. Hmm. -
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Mon, October 15, 2007 - 6:01 AMHey bro' no problems'
I saw some shit at a gig I did this weekend smelt like base Sodium Hydroxide'
You won't get a break through on that shit it is burnt to fuck'
I saw one lad smoke a pipe and fall over screaming holding his head';
He told me later it was extreemly hard frying like experience, very very hard'
Blessings'
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Fri, October 19, 2007 - 4:55 PMMotumba ! ... thanks for making my rant !
Be safe, not sorry or 'lazy', so understand what you are doing when it comes to extracting your own dmt.
When it comes to preparing oneself, eventually it's all talk and no action, talk going in circles ... Motumba describes the dosing just right - so start low and go up in dose.
pre-dosing on a filtered lemon juice extract of 3.5 g Syrian Rue Seed (MAOI) 30 minutes before smoking is truly amazing ! Just 30 mg dmt is a really 'easy' dose to inhale in one breath (slowly!) - The Rue seed extract loosens you up perfectly - to just slip through the veil.. ! I reccomend this highly - I wouldn't try dmt with out it now.
And, btw, 'evil' does not make up any part of the fabric of the universe except where it can hover in the human waking-state-ego - which will be peeled off like old wallpaper. ... So Go For it Fearlessly Mr M. > ! -
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Fri, October 19, 2007 - 7:17 PMThanx E. I am going to try to go into it fearlessly. What's to fear? I have gotten past alot of fears and this is more of an exciting challenge and opportunity for a highly spiritual learning experience as far as I'm concerned. I'm looking at it like a door which leads to a place which you cannot be sure of what is on the other side waiting for you. But when you go through this door, what you experience is tailor made just for you. It is what you need to see. It is what you need to know. It's like truly taking the RED PILL. I'm think this because of what I've read about it so far. Would you guys say this is true? Or is it perhaps a more random thing where it may or may not be a personally specific experience? I feel like no matter what is experienced it is nothing but a totally personal experience. I'm having a hard time putting this into words at the moment for some reason. Maybe I can expound on my contemplations later. -
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Sun, October 21, 2007 - 12:32 PMWhat you are experienceing right now has been tailor made for you. Perfect Chaos. No Fear. Seek the journey through Darkness so you can recognize your Light.
It's just like taking a stroll through a "scary" part of the neihborhood you've never been to before. You just might find a friendly house party.
Don't be afraid to let yourself in.
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Tue, October 23, 2007 - 9:47 AMneed more information on this pre dosing please, have never tried this. Sorry but i am very slow so great details are always help full
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Sun, October 28, 2007 - 9:14 AMMr. M, you asked about Alex Grey and his use of entheogens as it pertains to his art work.
You can here it straight from the horses mouth in the psychedelic salon podcasts at:
www.matrixmasters.com/podcasts/
Just pull down that drop down menu near the top of the page, the ones with Alex and his family are:
#'s 7, 8, 24,
He is also featured in these which pertain to visionary art in general:
#'s 51,52
Dream well my friend
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