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hi guys!im new,new to this forum,new to the world,new to myself.
-3g syrian rue
-22 'big medicine' strain phalaris into cooking
the syrian rue was powdered with a grinder into fine dust then capsulated in gel caps,no nausea/stomach discomfort nor effects on cognitive.the foliage + lemon was constantly boiled and blend into shreds with a soya milk making machine,took everything into belly(4 cups of liquid),including the remainings(grass bits).i do exactly as instructed by forum.what could have gone wrong?im hungry & desperate for ayahuasca ,sad
additional info,
the syrian rue glows with bright green under uv(ultra violet) light,indicates presence of active ingredients,but fail to give me a hypertension after consuming sausage and ham 2hours after 3grams of syrian rue is taken in powder form.
thanks man,any help would be much appreciated!
-3g syrian rue
-22 'big medicine' strain phalaris into cooking
the syrian rue was powdered with a grinder into fine dust then capsulated in gel caps,no nausea/stomach discomfort nor effects on cognitive.the foliage + lemon was constantly boiled and blend into shreds with a soya milk making machine,took everything into belly(4 cups of liquid),including the remainings(grass bits).i do exactly as instructed by forum.what could have gone wrong?im hungry & desperate for ayahuasca ,sad
additional info,
the syrian rue glows with bright green under uv(ultra violet) light,indicates presence of active ingredients,but fail to give me a hypertension after consuming sausage and ham 2hours after 3grams of syrian rue is taken in powder form.
thanks man,any help would be much appreciated!
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Re: help! 8th failed ayahuasca attempt, sad
Wed, March 4, 2009 - 8:46 AMBoiling too long and too hot can break the dmt molecules.
Also don't use aluminum pans.
You can boil over a low fire and let it sit for a while.
You can also grind it up and soak it in alcohol for a longer period of time.
Alcohol prevents rotting of the organic material, and extracts the alkaloids.
You can use wodka, and later, after a week, filter and evaporate the alcohol over a low temperature.
Extreme heat breaks down the active components.
It is a matter of trying things out. But you should be actively involved in the process and contemplate on what you want to achieve in the experience. In indiginous practice the making of the brew is also kind of a ritual in itsself.
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Re: help! 8th failed ayahuasca attempt, sad
Wed, March 4, 2009 - 8:49 AMThanks man!!! I'll do just that -
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Re: help! 8th failed ayahuasca attempt, sad
Wed, March 4, 2009 - 9:55 AMdesperate for ayahuasca
Then get some vine and make Ayahuasca'
Of what you are attempting is a maoi with light' it has no thing to do with ayahuasca'
As mentioned' no boil the life out of your light plants' I would also check on the quality of your Syrian Rue' and check the quality of your phalaris'
Use white wine vinegar instead of lemon juice'
Ingest of 3 grams and see if your Rue works'
You should feel it inside of an hour'
Also wait at least one hour after ingestion of your maoi (Rue/vine) before downing the light plants' with as little water in the light as is possible and you can still drink it'
Blissful discoveries'
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Re: help! 8th failed ayahuasca attempt, sad
Wed, March 4, 2009 - 10:26 AMnoted,Thanks bro!
im wondering ,could a high powered blender break the coumpounds of maoi?im trying to list out as many factors as i can.
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Re: help! 8th failed ayahuasca attempt, sad
Wed, March 4, 2009 - 10:32 AMNo, that sounds implausible,
if no small particles fly out, and all the powder stays in, there should be no loss off anything.
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Re: help! 8th failed ayahuasca attempt, sad
Wed, March 4, 2009 - 11:45 AMshould be the plant,guess i'll wait till sunday to go for another try,i'll get to it somehow
or i'll meditate the tough way to liberate my mind. thanks sir geert.its 4 in the am here in Malaysia(land above singapore).so bye guys! -
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Re: help! 8th failed ayahuasca attempt, sad
Wed, March 4, 2009 - 11:51 AMMake tea of the Rue' by boiling it gently in acidic water for about an hour'
The same for the grass'
Slug the Rue' wait until you feel it'
Slug the Grasses'
Chemistry says'
If the Rue is good and the light plants are good'
You got lift off ! !
Bliss
Nobuoni +
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Re: help! 8th failed ayahuasca attempt, sad
Sun, May 31, 2009 - 4:57 PM"i'm wondering, could a high powered blender break the compound of maoi?"
Are you sure your brew didn't work mate? :D -
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Re: help! 8th failed ayahuasca attempt, sad
Sun, May 31, 2009 - 11:35 PMNO ! !
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Re: help! 8th failed ayahuasca attempt, sad
Wed, March 4, 2009 - 12:12 PMexcellent advice / uitstekend advies
gentlemen
nothing further to add except for maybe the option to fast beforehand. if your mixture is 'right' you ought to be able to tell regardless ... -
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Re: help! 8th failed ayahuasca attempt, sad
Wed, March 4, 2009 - 1:20 PMyou ought to be able to tell regardless ...
he he he :)))
Bliss
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Re: help! 8th failed ayahuasca attempt, sad
Wed, March 4, 2009 - 4:14 PMhe he he 8))
there is a numerological significance to a 9th attempt coming up in many situations.
9 represents conclusion -
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Re: help! 8th failed ayahuasca attempt, sad
Wed, March 4, 2009 - 6:50 PM9 represents' conclusion'
conclusion ?
you got your plants'
in-correct :))) conclusion :)))
bliss
Nobuoni +
the school of hard knocks
you get it right'
end of conclusion ~
sorted ! !
blessings'~' -
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Re: help! 8th failed ayahuasca attempt, sad
Sat, March 7, 2009 - 9:26 AMAfter many initial failed attempts, this works (hypothetically) every time for me:
Get good materials from Maya: Pre-shredded white vine and some chagropanga.
Try 50 - 60g of vine with 5 - 7g of chagropanga. Don't go over this amount initially.
Cook both together at a high simmer for a total of ten hours. Do several rinses - say approx 3hrs each. For each litre of water used, add a tablespoon of cider vinegar or similar. If you have a large amount of tea, reduce the total amount of liquid by gently simmering it down to a drinkable amount ~ 50 - 100ml.
Drink, and if no effects after forty-five mins to an hour, eat a small piece of bread and wait.
I can't see how this can possibly fail.
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Re: help! 8th failed ayahuasca attempt, sad
Sun, March 8, 2009 - 7:00 AM> Cook both together at a high simmer
A low simmer would be better in terms of preserving the alkaloid structures and all, don't you think? -
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Re: help! 8th failed ayahuasca attempt, sad
Sun, March 8, 2009 - 12:40 PMI cook it at a heat that produces plenty of bubbles - seem to get strong brews from that. I'm certainly no expert on the techie stuff though.
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Re: help! 8th failed ayahuasca attempt, sad
Thu, March 12, 2009 - 3:30 AMA low simmer is generally 'kinder' on the alkaloids. A high simmer psilocybin 'experiement' once rendered a potent-less brew. A drawn out (1-2 hour) low simmer did not. Finely mincing/shopping your material beforehand helps (I use a coffee grinder). I use one of them re-usable metallic tea cocoons to hold the material in the water. After about an hour to two hours, I throroughly strain the material. This will get most of the active compounds out intact. But hey, if it works for you...
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Re: help! 8th failed ayahuasca attempt, sad
Sat, April 25, 2009 - 10:15 AM>A low simmer would be better in terms of preserving the alkaloid structures and all, don't you think?
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Re: help! 8th failed ayahuasca attempt, sad
Sat, April 25, 2009 - 10:56 AMBut should add long boils aren't necessary. Solubility decreases at curve with amount already dissolved. So boil three times, 15 minutes each. Boil, strain, boil with fresh water, strain, and again. Then combine water from three boils and boil down to amount you want to consume.
This utilizes the "teabag" principle. How you can get a second cup of tea from teabag but just steeping twice as long doesn't make it twice as strong. Everything is more soluble in fresh water. Three short boils in fresh water is more efficient than boiling for hours in one water.
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Re: help! 8th failed ayahuasca attempt, sad
Thu, March 12, 2009 - 4:31 PMJust give up already, satori. :)
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Re: help! 8th failed ayahuasca attempt, sad
Sat, April 25, 2009 - 10:13 AMYou can boil the heck out of it. In the amazon they boil it for hours. Your problem is most likely the grass. Phalaris is extremely variable in alkaloid content even by the time of day it's harvested. Not a good substance for making brew as it's near impossible to get the dose right. Use mimosa bark or viridis. Much more reliable. Phalaris can be good to juice, dry and then smoke. If you do make brew with grass use fresh young leaves harvested in mornings. And be careful. Alk content is so variable you could get too much just as easy as too little. -
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Re: help! 8th failed ayahuasca attempt, sad
Sat, April 25, 2009 - 1:53 PMWant some mimosa hostilis root bark? Send a few bucks for postage and I'll send you some. :)
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