Entities

topic posted Wed, February 1, 2006 - 9:01 PM by  Kevin
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Come on folks. Let's hear about those entity contact experiences. What did they look like? What was the feeling of their presence, in other words, what feelings did being in their presence bring up? What if anything did they say, communicate? Was this communication done through a language or was it more on a telepathic level? How many were there? What doses were involved, how many tokes? Did they seem other or did they seem to be aspects of your own psychology? Try and think of as many factors involved as possible as they all could be relevant and you never know what you may comment on that could spark something in someone else.

This is a fascinating area of exploration to me, and I am curious to get feedback from other explorers who have ventured into the space and returned with memories to share. I have elaborate at great length on my own explorations in the early portions of the "The Experience!" thread in this forum, although if necessary I will reassert my own entity experiences in this thread.
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    Re: Entities

    Wed, February 1, 2006 - 9:45 PM
    Kevin:

    What a fabulous idea. I was thinking about extra-terrestrials last night while watching the state of the union address. I was hoping that Bush would finish his speech with a little side note regarding the various treaties and communications with the visitors. Maybe next year...

    However, you sound interested not in the gross physical manifestations of higher intelligence (the grays and such), but rather the polymorphic, ontologically anomalous entities that reside underneath the cloak of dreaming. In that case, from what I have gathered, the entities that reside in the DMT realm can be represented in a number of different ways. As Terence said, there are literally thousands upon thousands of cosmic dimensions pouring into the DMT realm. This is apparently the reason for its seemingly alien vibe.

    I draw and paint here and there and I try to capture these dimensions as best I can. The primary item that catches my attention is the manifestation of novel creations, along with the sound that is involved. And in terms of sound, I think the reason why they are called elfin is because they have these high pitched squeaky sounds that meander their way through the conscious observer’s reawakened subtle sense mechanisms.

    Here is the same print that I sent you earlier, except this is a larger, nicer version.

    I consider most of this piece to be a reminder to myself of what these dimensions consist of. Several areas in particular remind me of the visible language. Save the image and view it in Windows image viewer (or whatever) so that you can rotate the image. I drew it so that each angle represented a particular emotion, expression…

    www.jacobaman.com/DimitrisCampground.jpg

    I am going to be scanning more images in soon so that I can add more to my (pathetic) website.

    Hope my image scares someone…


    Love,

    Jacob
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      Wed, February 1, 2006 - 9:49 PM
      I never saw them yet but I heard a voice... it was a familiar voice and it told me what I didn't expect but it seemed like the thing that I knew I would hear... it was so familiar, so true, and what was said to me is effecting my life in very strong and positive ways....
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        Wed, February 1, 2006 - 10:23 PM
        Leo,

        Thanks for engaging. I have a couple questions. Was this voice heard in the sense that you could hear audible language or was it thoughts rather than audible words? Or could you tell?

        Also, do you have any idea what the dosage level was? how many puffs did you take?
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    Wed, February 1, 2006 - 9:58 PM
    "What did they look like? What was the feeling of their presence, in other words, what feelings did being in their presence bring up? What if anything did they say, communicate? Was this communication done through a language or was it more on a telepathic level? How many were there? What doses were involved, how many tokes? Did they seem other or did they seem to be aspects of your own psychology?"

    Good question(s). But I'll be kinda brief , as these experiences are quite difficult to put into words..as I'm sure you know. There were two of them & they looked as if they were part of the visions(behind closed eye's) swirling within the colors & patterns. No mistaking it though cause it was a feeling of them being there..I just knew instinctively. They hovered in front of me for a bit & then I felt as if something attached to my head. It was then that I started to recieve information ..all telepathic. They told me that they were intelligent beings from a different dimension & that they are able to communicate inside these realms. I said these words aloud & got a feeling that they were happy or perhaps glad that I realized this...I had gotten the message. I do believe that they went into & through my body/head, but I was understandably quite blown away & recalling it is somewhat foggy.
    I know myself & I know these drugs...This was way beyond my personality/psychology. I couldn't have dreamt it in a millon years. Although, I must admit that I'd been wanting to meet them. I think that they come when THEY feel that one is ready for such an experience, as not everyone I have seen take similar doses has had contact. This experience was approx. 40mgs, 2 tokes n,n...Not much I know, but I have a special gift for the "appreciation" of psychedelics ;)

    Great topic Kevin & you? Looking forward to reading plenty of contact stories here.
    PEACE
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      Wed, February 1, 2006 - 10:35 PM
      Jason,

      Great explanation. Short but very descriptive.

      "I know myself & I know these drugs...This was way beyond my personality/psychology. I couldn't have dreamt it in a millon years."

      My feelings exactly! There's no way. It is 99.999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999% inconceivable. (I have to maintain some skepticism)

      Jacob,

      "As Terence said, there are literally thousands upon thousands of cosmic dimensions pouring into the DMT realm. This is apparently the reason for its seemingly alien vibe."

      Agreed. But, there certainly do APPEAR to be residents of this hub. For me, though their appearance may change their identity was identifiably the same both times I encountered them. It's interesting to think about it as some sort of hub, though, and to consider, though not exclusively, what Terence has talked about; "an ecology of souls", because the first time I went I entered a place that I described as being similar to a crowded shopping mall with entities very different to what I am calling the resident entities. There were lots and lots of them and they were each basically an individual orange floating sphere and they were all buzzing about, seemingly on their own business. So, the idea of a multimdimensional hub is an interesting concept.

      Lemme know when you get more stuff up on the site.

      Cheers
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        Thu, February 2, 2006 - 12:34 AM
        ok iam not very good with words but will try my best to share my experence with you all it the most resent dmt trip because its the most fresh in my mind. i started out with 75 mg of dmt i extracted from mimosa hostilis loaded in a glass bong on top of a little bit of salvia leaf. i a dimly lit room with complete silence. I took one large hit and layed back on the floor, almost instantly pulled from my physical body spining shapes of all colors flew by i heard what sounded like a piece of paper being ripped,it was as if i had broken through to some vast open space. i could see in the distance of this open space two eyes they moved closer getting faster as it got closer. when it reached me i saw it was what appeared to be a large snake i looked into it eyes as it was right in front of me an felt fear the creature continued moving up above me it was as if i could not look up at it only straight forward at the belly of this thing which was all colors like fine opal but scaley like a snake, there were eyes within these colors pasing by me.

        These dmt entities always seem so real to me like i left and what ever i was seeing is still existing even if i cant see it right now. some one here on the tribe mentioned to me that it my just be a virtual construct of the mind caused by the dmt, and it also causing the effect of us all thinking that this space and these entities are real and our minds are not producing them.

        hope this makes some sense.
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          Thu, February 2, 2006 - 12:58 AM
          "some one here on the tribe mentioned to me that it my just be a virtual construct of the mind caused by the dmt, and it also causing the effect of us all thinking that this space and these entities are real and our minds are not producing them."

          It's certainly possible, as I admitted below, but it seems like a convenient excuse.
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            Thu, February 2, 2006 - 1:31 AM
            Whew, the entities. I've had two run-ins with one type, and one with another. The two were on the same night, about 10 minutes apart. First on a two giant toke trip, in a pitch black room, silence. I was in an open area that seemed to have buildings around, like it was enclosed but open to the sky (i don't remember seeing sky, just a high ceiling feeling) So I start walking towards this door, it was small, like 2 feet wide by 3 feet tall, I realized I would have to crouch to get through it, but as I got closer, these short, squatty garden gnome looking dudes, but not pudgy, just thick, all started flooding toward the door and me, and they were audibly saying " No no nope nope nope nope nope, noooo nooo, nope." So I backed away from the door, and they relaxed, I started to the door again and once more, "nope nope nooope, no no" It was an Oz, munchkin land voice, kinda cute, and I had the feeling like they were helping me stay on track, like the door was some type of temptation that I was falling for and they were guarding me. Fade out back to "reality". 10 minutes later, I'm in my friend's living room, and he turns on some TOOL to listen to while I re-up, kind of as an experiment to see what effect music has on it. I go for another two tokes, and instantly, the living room is the scene, but it's a different living room, cause where the man-sized front door WAS, is another tiny little door, I start going towards it and tada, out of nowhere and everywhere, the munchkins are back, "Nope, nope" and this time they're mooning me, distracting me, being silly, but all the while saying "nope no no" The feeling I get is different this time, no longer do I feel they are protecting me or guiding me or keeping me on track, now I don't trust them, like they're trying to keep me from going where I'm supposed to go. I fade back fairly quickly into the living room again, and notice the music was on. I never heard or noticed any influence from the music played, and it was quite loud. So I guess I missed something cool on this one. Man! What if I could have gotten through that door! Anyone else have door experiences? The other entity story to come
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              Thu, February 2, 2006 - 5:35 PM
              I have had a variety of different experiences with 'entities" and I will briefly overview a couple of them with more details when I have time.

              First, they were all after 3 tokes, as that is my usual method. If I remember, my first contact was from a distance. I noticed a sort of psychedelic city scape where thousands (millions?) of independent entities were going about some business which didn't seem to have anything to do with me. I was just watching from a distance.

              My first communication experience was another journey. It was unexpected because I was engulfed and astonished at the familiar yet baffling display of fractalic imagery, which seemed to be communicating to me. I heard a "voice" in my head but it wasn't linear english words, but more a multidimensional moving set of meaning which I somehow managed to understand, but on a deep subconscious level (i.e. I could tell you what it was I understood, but I am sure I understood it in some way). Then I sort of "changed focus" mentally/visually and noticed that the fractalic morphing meaning tapastry that I was looking at was actually some sort of independent entity. It didn't have set boundaries but was definately unique to its surroundings.

              Other similar times are where different pillars or some such in the "space" are actually wierd jester faces which communicate in some psychic way only after I notice that they are there.

              I also had one experience where immediately upon entering the space, two cosmic "little grey" looking beings came up quickly at me which instinctually had me energetically retreating backwards. At some point I stopped my retreat and went "into" the beings with my intention, which resulted in moving through some sort of passageway into another, different "space".

              There are many others, but they are understandibly difficult to describe.

              I do feel they are independent, because they sometimes act independent of me. If I created them, I only did so to the extent that I create any other person in my waking reality. Who knows? I could go on, but I will wait for this thread to develope more.

              Good topic Kevin. I feel this is important to discuss. I believe we can somehow map out different consistant elements to this "dimension" and maybe be more productive with our journeys.
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                Thu, February 2, 2006 - 6:45 PM
                From lower level experiences using 20-30 mg inhaled with variable efficiency in 1 to 3 hits, so far I could list these encountered representaions of entities:

                1) Small, 2 dimensional homunculii that 'hump' or flick their bodies all over the 3 dimensional vision. They chase a part of the vision around, humping it robotically...? These are sometimes black-and-white joker-like 'moving drawings' or other times coloured Aztec-like drawn figures. These 2D creatures have some tongue type appendage that 'flicks' or clicks. These seem remote in some way, cartoons I draw with my mind maybe, but they behave as if they are involved in a process, flicking, clicking and humping... I'm not close to these and they can ignore me.

                2) One level up in intensity is the fractal 'imp'; I am way closer to this 'being' ... and it's leading me or pulling my attention 'around'. Mirrored hallways hide these imps, there are only a few, or one I follow with my attention. They have no shape or take any shape; a folded part of the vision moves independantly to 'pull off' the cover of another part. I have on a few occasions felt blocked by a bunch of mirrors, and these imps know how to get past and are sitting above them, and behind them. But either my dosage, or my 'preparedness' is not enough to 'breakthrough'. These fractal imps might be trying to keep me in the halls of mirrors..?

                3) The most vivid and intense being I met once was a multi eyed, multi-serpent vision' that pressed over me; it was warm and loving like Gaia's Busom pressed onto me. With my eyes closed, She came face to face with me.. ! But she had all sorts of deep, dark eyes ( very alien snake eyes), a tongue and a mouth that then sucked at me !Of course I let her !! I coined the word Brain-lingus after that experience ! She loved me so and wanted me to go with her... There is emotional awareness in detecting these kinds of entities.

                I think that the field of vision is sometimes so full that anything that makes sense or has intelligence about wtf is going on, could be concrete enough to be seen as an 'entity'. But the autonomous actions of these 'entities' means who's intelligence or 'what's' intelligence is showing me this..? Who is saying "let's Go !" ...

                The attention these beings focus on us is apparently one variable that changes; some don't care others have a "job" to care about distracting or enticing us further.

                I wonder if the 'playpen' or chamber image/experience ever happens without there being entities within..? Like an 'empty room' ... ? Also I wonder if some of us just don't experience such a 'room' .. and instead have something else.. like little gnomes saying "No onOnOnO...don't open the door .. !" (lol @ NorCal' ..!) ... and so instead we stay out of the "room"... Or maybe, dose dependantly some of us shoot right past it into the AllThatIS .>!

                Hypnogogic imagery often ( for me especially) includes the "crowded mall" scene. Very frequently when I doze off I am dreaming of floating above a crowded market place full of 'foreginers', but this has not happened from DMT.

                Good idead to start another thread Kevin ..! The other thread is now an epic that's hard to trace all issues through... ... heh, I called them "issues" .. ! ... Imp-issues !

                Stay safe everyone !
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                  Thu, February 2, 2006 - 9:04 PM
                  It looked like the reverse effect of the sperm and egg, instead of all these sperm trying to penetrate the egg (the entities body) they were coming from its body at a very fast pace. The sperms looked looked like a simple line with a dot on the end, all coming from the entities body. It had eyes, actually it resembled ORKO from those old he-man cartoons, but made of many fast moving shapes seperate from the back ground which to was made from the same mind gel. Very 2D
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                    Re: Entities

                    Fri, February 3, 2006 - 5:54 PM
                    Sorry Nor Cal Tripper !... It was MAtter that was being distracted by the Nay-saying munchkins... I better get my hallucinations straight here ..> !

                    Alex Grey's "Aya Visitation" acrylic painting is familiar to me as an 'entity' ... my main pic' now... she was the brain love sucking serpent I had press onto me awhile back...
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                      Fri, February 3, 2006 - 7:53 PM
                      The "nay-saying munchkins..."

                      Aaaaah hah hah hah!! That was so hilarious, no pun intended. Really, I could so totally imagine them: no nonononononono... Well described. I must say, I've only once 'seen' entities with any form of DMT, and that was on my very first 5MeO trip. They appeared as Native American tribal elders (I heard chants throughout the experience). There were five of them (corresponding to the five-pointed star). They all had kind, caring faces, and were softly staring at me, kinda like 'Mona-Lisa' stares actually. It was night, outside, in a star-lit full moon desert (I was physically present in the desert and at night at the time, and on tribal land). I could see them clearly. They each had a network of deep grooves covering their whole faces; a unique signature each telling of a vast life full of experience and history. I faced one of them and traced one such grooves up to his eye. What I found was absolute darkness, but it was not 'negative' in any way. It seemed incredibly deep, vast, endless even. I was overcome with a sense of truth of how much more there is to know, and how little I really do know. It was humbling, but it was empowering as well.

                      I knew with absolute certainty then, while glimpsing into that time-less vast 'scape', that these entities; the mental representations of my higher self which had manifested in a form which I already hold in the highest possible regard, or the 'otherworldly' entities which somehow apply the most appropriate meme-set in order to communicate with me, or any possible combination thereof... that behind this experienced was a constructive aim; something positive; something for me to learn. I sensed only love there, and this to me has always been unmistakable. My heart has never failed me, and I don't believe it ever will. What these entities had instilled in me was a deep, deep sense of trust in a mystery which will continue to be the source of wonder, and in turn of progress for a very, very long time to come. Perhaps even for fever. I need not be afraid, ever again. The experience also re-affirmed my belief in the existence of an unrestricted (chaos) magic, and that there are things which stretch far beyond the human imagination -- an awesome prospect.

                      Then there are the angelic children-like screams of happiness which I do not see but sense all around me, just as I enter and just as I leave hyperspace (5-MeO). They move about at the speed of light or perhaps even beyond, I don't know. Their ecstatic laughter and giggles seems to echo throughout all of space, kind of in the sense of clairaudience. There is no form there, only white space. I sense this angelic presence everywhere, and even within myself. I do not sense where it begins nor where it ends. The concept of boundary-space doesn't seem to apply there at all. The only thing which I've been able to make out during any of my subsequent 5-MeO DMT hyperspace encounters is that there are two main forces at work in this space which are running on the primordial background of sound. I see two sets of concentric circles; one expanding and one contracting. And depending on how much I'm NOT thinking, I can slow them down to the point of where they overlap and remain still. This only happens when I manage to think absolutely nothing (which I'm somewhat aware of during the experience). The ever present buzzing sound also slows down to an extremely low bass-filled resonance until there is no sound at all. Then, whatever next thought occurs turns the whole (s)p(l)ace into sort of a blissful state of mayhem. I know that that sounds strange. It's absolute utter chaos in there, but with a sublime/divine touch of ecstatic, climactic euphoria (and so I start to giggle just like "the others". A spiral tunnel ride down a cascading set of subsequent thoughts, each manifesting faster than the other, yet seemingly happening all at the same time. Oops, my brain's not photonic ;-)

                      I'm curious to find out whether people's entity accounts occur on DMT or 5MeO, as for myself, there is a pretty big distinction between the two. So please distinguish this if you can. My (regular) DMT accounts so far have been very inspiring, but pretty much entity-less. I've had some amazing communications with certain plant species while on (regular) DMT though.

                      I've had my share of entity-contact never the less, though mostly facilitated by access-mediums such as various forms of LSD, mescaline and psilocybin. Then there were a few occasions without the use of any intermediaries whatsoever; awake (involuntary), meditative and lucid/dreaming. And there were also a few unsettling accounts in which I witnessed vibrational 'spirit world' entities actually affecting physical 3D space, and myself, while fully awake.

                      Thanks for bringing this up Kevin -- Great subject.


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                        Thu, February 9, 2006 - 6:59 PM
                        The experiences of this nature are amazingly private. Holy, intimate mind spaces that I have felt that they can be 'defiled' by words, such as these we are using.

                        Are we 'allowed' to talk about this phenomenon, according to some 'entities' judgement ..? .. I'm self-self-conscious about this ! And relieved at the same time ! It's cathartic, but it's 'all wrong' to even blubber a word about it .. ! just try talking mid trance..! .. " wwwooooowww'... ! But it's what we got so what can we do ..!? .. I say thank you Tribe.net !... !

                        So, I wonder, what makes out the boundary of an 'entity' ..? It must be communicating something or not..? By definition do they have 'eyes'..? is it a 'head' shape ? or just a 'fold' in the matrix before you.? So we come up with strange way's to describe 'entities' ... Who said already that sometimes it's like we're seeing them only as their folded shadows ?.

                        What can one really remember, that's not embellished... ? I get separate episodes mixed up... And then try to type it out, reducing further by words..?

                        With some practice at the Lamp, I find there's more ability to remember, and then finally make more sense of the trance. Like 'who' was in the playpen with me then, .. ?

                        With my last try on inhaling Alladin's Lamp, I came upon the "playpen" experience. And it's set of 'entities' were familiar; their joker faces, laughing, waving, flicking things 'up', wagging something, peering from underneath and behind mirrored surfaces. I recognized all the mirrored halls etc I had seen before, so now all closed in, the playpen was there ! All the time, toyboxes were there 'from before' too ... I somehow knew to move on, and the playpen gave way to the 'main-floor library staircase' which i was gliding up as a larger 'crowd' of people waved me up, like I was going up with the veil. This time I had breathed two huge dense clouds of smoke before laying back, lights out, eyes closed... Black mirrors filled the loftiest part of this experience; obsidian water like space I could float in, as though this was the peak of the trip. I can't recall what I saw floating with me, but the memory was of being lucid to the fact I was at my 'peak' ... "float for as long as you can" ... ! I can't tell you anything about the rentry ... annoying how broken up the memory is.. !

                        Trying to recall, so much is really cartoonized ... and 'reflected' in perfect images of spaces and mirrors mirrors factes reflecting all over ! I remember simple messages like 'be without having' ... the only words I could summarize some trips by... cling to nothing, and you end up going 'higher' ... hyperspatially speaking... maybe true in real life as well.

                        Speaking of dark or black backgrounds and black obsidian mirrors, instead of 'regular' white mirrors... on another occasion, in the 'black space' again I guess, objects or beings appeared outlined in bright fluorescent lines. I had heard of this before I found the words 'appropriate' for calling it the "Gumby" ...! Or what I would call The Gumby family ! The outline against the blackness was day-glo lines shaped like Gumbys, big and little, like mom, dad and kids... Now I can't recall what we did,said, or what the exchange was about, I can't embellish unfortunately... My attention was 'directed' at the kid-Gumby which 'looked up' and gave me the longest stare. It's disappointing I can't recall anything other than 'watch out for the little ones' as the message... .. !

                        So, if entities require that a communication happens, so far all I can recall 'they' have said to me, is to "be without having" .. and "watch out for the little ones" ... The wagging-finger and saying no-no-no-no NO! is what the playpen jokers say .. .sometimes... ...

                        What else defines an 'entity' then, ... shape ...? sound ? .. our emotions ..?

                        So, blasphemously let me joke... next time I'm going to call for Pokey ! .. or does anyone recall when Eddie Murphy played Gumby on SNL ..? ... ok, ... just be 'polite' to the entities.. ! ... they certainly love humor !...

                        Stay safe and sound everyone !
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                          Fri, February 10, 2006 - 12:53 AM
                          "The experiences of this nature are amazingly private. Holy, intimate mind spaces that I have felt that they can be 'defiled' by words, such as these we are using."

                          They cannot be defiled.

                          "Are we 'allowed' to talk about this phenomenon"

                          Of course. It's almost demanded.

                          "it's 'all wrong' to even blubber a word about it .."

                          Why?

                          "just try talking mid trance"

                          for me, my linguistic capability remains completely intact during the experience.

                          "But it's what we got so what can we do"

                          Exactly. So let's use language to it's fullest capability to try and share what we can of this incredible experience. The entities I've met have never communicated anything about not talking about the experience to anyone else. I like Terence's idea of, what can we do with psychedelics besides blow our own minds?

                          "So, I wonder, what makes out the boundary of an 'entity' ..? "

                          What makes up the boundary between you and your mom?

                          "It must be communicating something or not..? "

                          Yep.

                          "By definition do they have 'eyes'..? is it a 'head' shape ? or just a 'fold' in the matrix before you.? "

                          Well, that's what this post is about; getting people to describe THEIR experiences.

                          "What can one really remember, that's not embellished"

                          What can you remember from ordinary life that's not emellished? It's not a whole lot different, although the magnitude of the experience is quite different from ordinary life. I remember my experiences quite vividly (for the most part).

                          "I get separate episodes mixed up... And then try to type it out, reducing further by words.."

                          It's true. This does tend to happen. This is why journaling can help to sort out between trips. But, it's good to see the overarching qualities too.

                          "With some practice at the Lamp, I find there's more ability to remember, and then finally make more sense of the trance. Like 'who' was in the playpen with me then, .. ?"

                          Definitely!

                          Anyways, thanks for sharing your experience.

                          I think rather than thinking that we shouldn't try to talk about it out of fear of defiling them, it might be important to remember that they CANNOT be defiled because we CANNOT talk about them. But we can talk around them, and we can say enough so that others who have been there can recognize key aspects of the experience. And I would say that certain individuals (artists, writers, speakers) are able to take that experience and bring it back with something valuable to the community.

                          Thanks for all of your participation. There has been some great descriptions so far. Keep 'em comin'. Cheers...
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                            Fri, February 10, 2006 - 2:01 PM
                            Sometimes I see the words I've used as distancing the ... the 'thing' I'm decribing from the experience of it... Or words are like flinging mud at something to discern it's shape or prescence, they show you it's 'there' when they stick to 'it' but they obscure it too. Or if you throw a rock in a still pond to prove it's 'there' or to see how far away it is or something. ... In that synethesic state, I hear myself saying 'shhh' ... don't call it anything yet !

                            ...The 'entities' abound ! It happens that once you've explored DMT space a bit, you notice they've been there, 'everywhere' all the time ... as I have now come to believe... now that I've learned how to inhale thick enough vapour... !

                            Leering entities saying and jesturing.... no-no-no-no-Yes-yes- yes- yes-up come-up-come-up "loook look look look '" ... And I see !... and all I can call it is a "toybox" ... ! they are showing me... in the weirdest mirrored room. .. It's best to just STFU !.. I think ... look ... think later .. type later... pheeewww ! It'll make one laugh before one can speak !

                            Kevin .. You have a journal ! ? .. Give us an entity tale of two then .. !
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                              Mon, February 13, 2006 - 1:36 PM
                              I usaully can talk during the experience...but once after a WHITE out....I found myself and the 2 friends I shared the DMT with, were all speaking in tounges, actually it wasnt until we came WAY down that the realize- attion of what was going on was registered, and there was one sober person with us, he got up and left after the session, proclaiming that what he just witnessed made him feel very sick. so he walked home.
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                                Mon, February 13, 2006 - 2:17 PM
                                just thinking about witnessing that while sober makes my tummy turn. I can totally empathize with how he must have felt. Whew! I've never been able to (or maybe haven't tried to) talk while I was in there. I do tend to gently rock with THE rhythm, and smile, and then usually some good tears about 5 or 10 minutes afterwards. I had one experience on the beach, after 3 of my friends had gone, where the second I lit it, it started to rain, ever so gently, just a
                                tip.... tap tap.... tip tip...... tap
                                I was like, "cool, this will be interesting
                                We had our drums out, and I heard each drop hit each skin, and it was intense
                                Then it came down harder, and harder
                                I could sense without a doubt that everyone wanted to leave, cause their business there was done
                                That anticipation to leave made it really hard for me, kept getting pulled in and out of the experience. Like I was trying to end it short, but know inside that I couldn't end it, had to let it flow. That was the only time I would consider was at all negative or a real struggle.

                                Living it and loving it,
                                Matt
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                                  Wed, February 15, 2006 - 9:27 AM
                                  i just thought i would share this entitie vision with you all. was looking at this women with three faces on one head. An hair with long snake like movements. this entitie gave me a dark feeling. just as i felt the wave of what seemed like some kind of negitive energy. The face that was looking directly at me. its mouth opened at it toung came rolling out right at me what seemed like a 15 foot distance an went right into my mouth. i felt if i wanted to i could spit the toung at my own choice but choose to except it, an at that moment that i choose to except this dark entitie its body from top to bottom exploded in half with blood and it guts everywere.

                                  This i one of the stranger entities i have encountered in my travels.
                                  • Re: Entities

                                    Wed, February 15, 2006 - 2:26 PM
                                    An unembellished report, since I just can't recall more than these focused points, after three long thick inhalations:

                                    I know the 'coming on' well, it's familiar. But while seeing the mother-of-all veils being pulled up all at once very fast, I think something like; "oh oh... there's been an accident .." everything and everybody is in here now...?! .. oh, yeah, ... (I open one eye... I'm still ok..) .." eyes closed is essential to keep the information 'flow' ...

                                    There is an amazingly busy 'place' ... I'm hovering over a planet sized surface that's teeming with activity; the universe I'm in is 'busy keeping away from itself' .. no collisions of the things going on are to be allowed !. Conduits in the space and on that background 'planet' surface are teeming with moving interacting 'stuff' . I can remember saying, "..hey this place again, .. now see it all so remember it all.." The traffic teeming on the planet is mindboggling ! ..

                                    'Traffic cops' directing the flow of activity occasionally look over at me and say 'Hi,we're just to busy to come over, can't you see..?" ... and they go right back to preventing the universe from prematurely 'combining with it self' . These traffic cops were familiar, very people-like with faces. Except there was one which I had not ever seen before; I'd say it reminded me of a Male guardian angel, with a fancy-hair-style in a suit ... He gave me the most direct greeting; almost a hand shake, but then said also .. sorry I'm Busy, .. but watch, ..glad to see you again, I'm watching you too (so I wouldnt collide with something..?)... and he went back to juggling these things so that they "didn't ever touch" ... He was the traffic cop that was 'closest' to me in that space... I could see his 'juggling' better than the rest of it all.

                                    My memory blanks out, but after that space there were the "Hula Dancers" ... back again ! Day-glo ink drawn figures that know I'm watching them, ...showing me the wiggle-dance; hips flick left right... everybody's doing it..! ."...you're supposed to to this too" is the implication. And funnier yet is when they say (by dancing) and " and have sex" .. some of them, not all the dancers, got into a hip thrusting forewards and back motion.. Humping their dance moves... "you must do this too !.." they are implying

                                    Ok.. imo, the main 'take-home' part of this experience ... and it's accumulated from a few trances... very generally speaking

                                    I think Dimit3 already said this in that other thread, our corporeal existence is critical to the ongoing of much other universal activity; so much else has put us here, and is keeping us here in this body ! We each have, for "good' reason to be born and to have to endure this life. The needs of the universe are served by our lives being what we are. There are impossibly numerous 'other' things going on, which we do not need to know about to 'succeed' with our corporeal purpose; just be born, live, reproduce, and die from your body... And that's our job, well done !

                                    But, in addition to other methods, through DMT we might be glimpsing that smorgasborg of activity that the universe is ! Our bodiies and minds are vessels for some amount of that smorgasborg. The smorgasborg of life and consciousness was served up into our bodies and minds when we were concieved. So how freaking precious it is that we can look upon the world, and have this momentary combination of the elements to give us the experience of life ... Being alive should make one feel awe at the sight, smell, touch, taste, feel of any thing, let alone sensing another person, another God-creature sharing the smorgasbord with you ! ... Dimit3 your words were way more eloquent ...

                                    Also the main entity theme for me is communication, they keep saying:

                                    "we know you're there... Hi !"

                                    "look out for the little ones"

                                    " Be with out Having"

                                    " have Sex haveSex HAve Sex / make more bodies make more bodies! "

                                    "do the hula dance..." .. ?

                                    As far as gory scenes, like NorCal decsribed ... I have had only one re-entry that veered off into visions of burial and grotesque decay. I thought it was because I was tired, and had notions of 'sleeping underground' that promoted the visions to become all intestinal and 'wormy' ... But I have had an entity give me a french-brain-kiss ! It was very beconing, ... sucking and tongueing face to face... no gory parts...

                                    Keep smorgasbording everyone !
                                    • Re: Entities

                                      Wed, February 15, 2006 - 8:05 PM
                                      "I know the 'coming on' well, it's familiar. But while seeing the mother-of-all veils being pulled up all at once very fast, I think something like; "oh oh... there's been an accident .." everything and everybody is in here now...?! .. oh, yeah, ... (I open one eye... I'm still ok..) .." eyes closed is essential to keep the information 'flow' ..."

                                      This is fascinating! Isn't it interesting how when the "veil" is removed you get the feeling that not only is this reality internally manifesting, but it feels as though it transforms all of the physical world as well? Last time I went in, my bedroom dissolved away around me, molecule by molecule (within a matter of a few seconds), and I was in "the wiring behind the board of eternity". But, it literally felt like this was the underlying fabric of the universe. And this feeling was the most convincing thing I have ever experienced. Terence has said before, (paraphrasing): I know the rules of good argument, and I know one when I see one. DMT is the best arguer I have come across, and provides plenty of proof along with it, but the thing is, it is impossible to convey or "prove" this to anyone else, because you don't have the persuasive techniques at hand, like DMT does.

                                      I always will admit the possibility of a self-confirming delusion, but all I can say is that if the DMT experience is a delusion, it has some way of being more convincing than any person I've ever met. And I've met some very intelligent and convincing human beings. I mean even beyond human beings, gravity is pretty convincing, because I have never witnessed it not work. That's a pretty good track record: 100% efficacy. But DMT was more convincing.

                                      I keep hoping to (re)post my entity encounters, but am never finding time. I will get around to it one of these days (maybe this weekend), but if you are eager to hear them, they are already written out in my old thread called "The Experience". My first couple experiences are at the very start of the thread, then a little bit later, I tell what I can about the experience I noted above.
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                                        Wed, February 15, 2006 - 8:17 PM
                                        wow man, that was about the most open and humbled thing i've read that you wrote. It is certainly more convincing than gravity, i don't understand why, but i do agree. it seems the only thing that is kept the same in this revealed world is some little part of the self that can recognize itself. For me, the first time, I had the immediate thought "Ya, I know this place" then i reminded myself while i was in there, no you don't, you've never done this before, then i replied, all automatically "never done this before, no, but i've BEEN HERE!"
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                                          Wed, February 15, 2006 - 10:30 PM
                                          "it seems the only thing that is kept the same in this revealed world is some little part of the self that can recognize itself."

                                          Yes!

                                          For me this is one of the main differences between DMT and 5-MEO-DMT.
                                          • Re: Entities weaving the Fabric !

                                            Wed, February 15, 2006 - 11:56 PM
                                            Kevin, you say: "Last time I went in, my bedroom dissolved away around me, molecule by molecule (within a matter of a few seconds), and I was in "the wiring behind the board of eternity". But, it literally felt like this was the underlying fabric of the universe"

                                            Now that I have figured how to inhale a breakthrough dose, it does seem this way ! Seeing the weavers of the fabric of the Universe ! I had even wondered if, when this hapens with all the 'activity' that is going on so intensely, that we are privy to something akin to 'seeing' subatomic processes ... The atom's components are 'kept appart' .. electrons don't merge with protons, the wiring of the Universe has lots of amazing details to keep 'appart' or sorted... and something is doing all this ... all the time ! Lucky for us Earth bound corporeal creatures, .. someone else is doing 'all the work' .. ! pheeew !
                                            • Re: Entities weaving the Fabric !

                                              Thu, February 16, 2006 - 12:22 AM
                                              Wow, so interesting you say that...

                                              I once had a intense experience that involved witnessing dimensionality "unfold", it is hard to describe... What was noteable was I would see objects (typical of these sorts of experiences, crystaline, colorful, morphing), that were clearly of a certian dimensionality, such a s 2D, flat snowflakish things, then 3D crystals... When it progressed past 3D, with a complete intimate knowledge of 3D vision, I astonishingly "watched it" firsthand, well, simply progress past 3D... (I program 3D simulations, and understand all the processes involved in mapping objects into the visual plane, hyper-object mappings, etc. So it was quite shocking to observe the laws of spatial mapping be violated in my visual cortex, and cognize that this was happining as it did..) The most notable aspect of this was that something that was "on the other side" of an object (like the back of the monitor you're reading this on is to you now), became visible with a rotation about higher dimensional axis, without the object needing to be transparent. I was able to see around it without moving..

                                              This phenomena progressed in a systematic way... It was, as you say, as if I was observing some fabric of the universe. Or underlying set of laws that govern causality. I was somehow able to see (and yes, this was all very "visual") the exact amount of "extra axis" that were being presented in these objects' attributes.. It climaxed with all sorts of other aspects of the experience climaxing at a brilliant "26"...

                                              The next day, I typed "26 dimensions" into google. I was suprised to see it is the basis of older string theory models. (And indeed, still holds a place in 10 and 11 dimensional superstring theories.) This indeed in retrospect seems like a subjective witnessing of an aspect of quantum (or meta-spatial rather) physics.

                                              I have questioned if it was because I contemplate these things in general (I knew not of the "26" tough) and was coincidence, or indeed was something substantial that was witnessed. (Repeatable/verfiable by others perhaps?)

                                              --Specular.
                                              • Re: Entities weaving the Fabric !

                                                Thu, February 16, 2006 - 2:48 AM
                                                Specular,

                                                Absolutely brilliant. You have just attempted to explain for the first time (in my experience)what I have tried to explain to others mostly unsuccesfully. The experience is undeniably (with both DMT and salvia) that of literally higher dimensionality. The best way I have been able to describe this is by saying that angles literally existed in the space that were impossible in 3 dimensions. But, I haven't been able to give any description better than that as I don't have any language for anything of that nature, but your description of "that something that was "on the other side" of an object (like the back of the monitor you're reading this on is to you now), became visible with a rotation about higher dimensional axis, without the object needing to be transparent. I was able to see around it without moving.. " is spot on with my own experience, and you are the first I have heard try to articulate this other than myself. And you have clearly done a better job than me and I thank and applaud you for it. I was not able to pin it down to any specific number like 26, as at the time I was not able to slow my mind down enough to try and do any sort of counting, but the connection to string theory is certainly an interesting possibility to consider, and I appreciate your own skeptical relationship to your experience, while at the same time having the insight to pursue the lessons.

                                                Again, cannot thank you enough for confirming this for me. It seemed so real. I knew someone else must've experienced something similar. Do you (or anyone else) get this at all with salvia too? It happens every time for me. In fact, the extra-dimensionality is SO similar to that of DMT that the first time I came back from DMT I swore that it was almost EXACTLY the same experience as salvia. That was the biggest surprise of all, to finally get the opportunity to smoke DMT, and as it came on to say to myself, oh my god, this is salvia (It was the SAME experience, just more colorful, and with less of a demented sense of humor).
                                                • Re: Entities weaving the Fabric !

                                                  Thu, February 16, 2006 - 6:58 PM
                                                  "demented sense of Humor" .. ! hah !

                                                  And so yes, speaking of entities when saying 'sense of humour' , who's 'sense' was that again; the elf's, the Other's, the plant's... ?!

                                                  I have not tried salvia, .. could there be anything more animated than DMT, with a greater sense of humour ? Salvia is .!? ... or can you explain the 'demented' part... .. I think that's funny ! ... DeMenTed is right ... !
                                                  • Re: Entities weaving the Fabric !

                                                    Fri, February 17, 2006 - 10:27 AM
                                                    wooo, i don't know if i like salvia's sense of humor as much as DMT's, only did it once, but freaked me out !
                                                    As for the seeing the back of the objects, this reminds me of Einstein's theory that as we approach the speed of light, 3 dimensional objects become closer to completely visible, that is, we can see around walls, they sort of curve around themselves. Not explaining it well, but it's the same idea you're talking about, i wonder if this could have to do with the dissolution of time in the DMT realm. ponder....
                                                  • Re: Entities weaving the Fabric !

                                                    Fri, February 17, 2006 - 11:45 AM
                                                    "And so yes, speaking of entities when saying 'sense of humour' , who's 'sense' was that again; the elf's, the Other's, the plant's... ?! "

                                                    A good question. I'll answer as accurately as I can. Of course this was MY IMPRESSION of what seemed to be a "demented" sense of humor. And I attributed the possessor of the sense of humor to some consciousness (seemingly other than my own) that was present (not emobied) in the salvia-space. I do not claim that it was the spirit of the plant of some entity inherent to the salvia-space or anything else. I don't know what it was, but whatever it was was definitely present (at least in my mind) and I didn't appreciate what I interpreted as it's intentions towards me and how it was unfolding them. The experience of this "other consciousness" was an isolated event in my salvia experiences. The experience of salvia is ALWAYS the same to me (at least the place I arrive at), but this was the only instance of a seemingly present consciousness trying to interact and influence me.

                                                    "could there be anything more animated than DMT, with a greater sense of humour ?"

                                                    I dunno. Salvia was definitely not more animated than DMT, but the sense of humor was definitely beyond (and in a way that I didn't like). DMT to me has never had a sense of humor. It is always straight to business. It is not negative, but I certainly don't get the impression that they (the DMT entities) are toying with me. I get the impression that they are trying to help me and convey vast amounts of information. The entity present in that salvia experience, on the other hand, was very much "toying" with me, and seemed to be doing it in a way that was unnecessarily devious. Again, I fully admit that this is solely MY IMPRESSION of the experience. But, that experience is one of the absolute clearest memories I have in my whole life, so this is not an embellishment. I VERY clearly remember the entirety of the experience.

                                                    yea, DeMenTed. But for me, DMT isn't. Salvia is.
                                                    • Re: Entities weaving the Fabric !

                                                      Sat, February 18, 2006 - 1:02 AM
                                                      For me, the DMT humor feels more like i'm being let in on a joke, and it's the same joke everytime, and i have the same feeling of "oh yeah, the joke" each time, as though there shouldn't be any way i could forget it, but i seem to, and it isn't even something I can begin to tell the punch line of. Usually i feel a smile come over me, at that point of remembering the joke, and there's a nudging sensation, as if the consciousness present is saying "hehe, remember? ya, you remember!"
                                                      • Re: Entities weaving the Fabric !

                                                        Sat, February 18, 2006 - 11:45 AM
                                                        yes.. ! the "realm of the Cosmic Giggle" in Mckenna's words...

                                                        It's one stage in a full launch, to be reminded of the "joke' ...While they all are going "yes yes yes..? " " don't you get it ..' ... "ha ha ha .. " .. I laugh too when I see what I didn't remember.. ! gRokkk !

                                                        When the Universe is revealed to be a multiverse, and alive and conscious at the level of the subatomic particle, apparently busy all the time with more " concerns' than we could ever comprehend, all one can do is Laugh ! And IT all Loves the 'you' that's discovered this... !

                                                        Within the humour, I am noticing those reassurances are taking on the tone of ; "so this time you're feeling better" ..? .." not so alarmed .. ? Great .. Love and Laugh then ! .. ha ha ha !" ... mixed in with gestures of "hula hula hula .. hump hump hump ... " nod nod nodding that I do get it, right..? .. and imparting the fact that with the getting of the joke comes 'laughing and humping' .. and 'watch out for the little ones' ... breed and laugh .. ! keep life going !

                                                        By making DNA like crazy all the time on this planet, all life is the ultimate expression of this complex "joke". Part of what's been played on our waking conscious state, is to 'just keep breeding' ...! Not like all life is conscious like us with an 'ego', but all bacteria 7 fungi, single cells critters, all insects, mammals, reptiles, undiscovered phyla !..every one is the Multiverse Reality at work, with it's secret 'joke' ... Maybe it's the moments of life we have that are the punch lines.?!.. Each of us is a punchline.! .. every creature is !...but we still forget so quickly !

                                                • Re: Entities weaving the Fabric !

                                                  Sat, February 18, 2006 - 9:05 PM
                                                  Kevin: "I don't have any language for anything of that nature"

                                                  Specular did indeed do an excellent job in articulating hyperdimensionality.

                                                  Point your critical eye to Magritte's "I See", located in our forum's album.
                                                  This particular painting does it for me as well in an 'unexplainable' way.
                                        • Re: Entities

                                          Fri, March 3, 2006 - 8:45 PM
                                          I had a similar experience my first time about half way into the trip after I had returned to my body and had partial control I kept forgetting that it was the first time. I have taken some very brave doses of shrooms before though so that space may have been familiar.

                                          Another time I felt face to face with a giant set of psychedelic eyes, it was a lattice of ocular cavities. I could not focus on the different eyes so much as I was connected to the one closest to me. I felt it link and unlink with me in waves as I relaxed. I began to understand and felt a transfer of information beyond a linear voice it was like something mentioned entire sets of mental structures.

                                          After that time I was left with a lasting impression that entities or the Everything is connected to us all through our minds and consciousness and since for humans so much of that is based on vision that through our eyes and what we see and feel we are providing feedback into a larger system.

                                          Recognition of this and realizing that IT all really is just an expression of ITSELF anyway has made me think a lot about the holographic nature of the multi-dimensional universe.

                                          Great thread and contributions people!
                                          • Re: Entities

                                            Fri, March 3, 2006 - 11:35 PM
                                            >
                                            Recognition of this and realizing that IT all really is just an expression of ITSELF anyway has made me think a lot about the holographic nature of the multi-dimensional universe.
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                                            right there with you.
                                            • Re: Entities

                                              Sun, March 19, 2006 - 10:11 PM
                                              All this talk and, not enough "action' ... ... I've been feeling too imbibed by theory, lately.

                                              Three weeks since my last investigation of Hyperspace. So finally yesterday I went to see 'who's home' with me, late at night. The memory I have is somewhat re-inforced by the familiarity of the experience.

                                              2 tokes, lungs full, maybe 35- 45 mg in the bowl. I vapourize most or all of it ... and then I'm in that familiar place; kids, in the play pen. They all knew me this time, absolutely saying " Hi !" .. and "look" at us.

                                              It was 'calmer' than last time I was there; the previous time i ended 'running around' like a brat, getting somehow led out of the 'playpen' by that behaviour. This time I stayed longer. I watched, the 'toys' were being shown to me. And they were some toys ! "Toys" were those "Logos" covered creations, being held on outstretched hands on even worn as "hats' ,,, The children that were showing these amazing "blocks" seemed older than the rest; 8 or 10 year olds not toddlers and 5 year olds. The older kids didn't run around and hide, they stood and showed me their "hats" and toys... I knew enough to think they're 'the toys' ...

                                              Hyperspace 'music' was being played and 'portrayed' in the designs on the toys, that moved and changed; I had never seen music like this. The "music" was more like resonating harmonic sounds made by a metallic sounding 'instrument' ; coded harmonies. The snake in the wall was also still there; again I'm sure the snake is what some of the kids transform into. The kids seem 'real' or realistic, the snake is jewel encrusted, semi mechanical, in-organic or not a traditional 'lifeform"

                                              The transition to the next phase I can't recall; don't know if I went "up" or "down" ... Typically this has been a space that's 'up' again, that is incomprehensibly busy, and I have one guardian with me. This time it's not busy, but instaed it was "crowded" ... I had different entities than the "kids", they flitted about like ghosts, or cloud-beings. They 'see' me and "want to play' with me. Whispering kind of greetings, pressing up against me as though I was in bubble that separated me from them with an invisible membrane. They surounded me, and laughed at my comments.

                                              I wish I could recall what I said that got them all laughing. This was not the play pen any more, or that "set" had been removed. I mused that these were the beings that used to be busy at having to "run the universe" on a lunch break or something, they had time to tease me .! At one point I even clapped my hands to see if I could "shoo" them away, all pressed around me, doing that face to face, sucking thing. ... I recalled the story Mckenna related about certain entities becoming "pushy" and 'wanting to make a deal". These were pick-pocket entities smothering me. That's why I clapped, and "shooed" them.

                                              Then, once I had made a sound, clapping, I used my voice ... and holy moley did things 'respond' to my humming and clicking !. These smothering entities hung around for a while, danced or somehow responded to my imagination. Synesthesia like that is awesome ! I forget so much, I know, ... I remember saying "This I'm going to remember" ... ! ... but nope, .

                                              Then I tried to cleanup the left overs in the bowl; two more harsher tokes ... in just 20 minutes since the first launch. This was a lower level launch.. I saw the "door to the playpen' open slightly, with golden light pouring out, but I didn't make it. I felt I could crawl towards it. Instead I rolled around in the warm, luscious "surf" of my synesthetic mind. Visual orgy, unrolling all over me, with no sense of "entities'. Very luscious "lights of the lower Bardo", surfing on my imagination. I was 'underwater' and any entities were outside of this layer...

                                              So the two trips were overlapping; this second attempt with my magic pipe just had me peeking through the door of the playpen. The first launch was "zoom to the playpen"; and then somewhere else... then synesthetic surfing, then utter gratitude, laughing to myself... marvelling at what expanses sit just inside our heads.

                                              The non breakthrough kind of trips could be percieved as "just your mind on drugs" .. clearly a nice show... ( awesome show !). But they don't leave you as shaken by the awe and joy that you get when seeing the implications of us just "being of this universe". The breakthrough could still be "your mind on drugs" ... but it doesn't matter. Breakthroughs, are essential ! .. It is our evolutionary duty to do these things ! At least once a month for me !

                                              Now I'm boasting ! .. no, instead I should be humble and clear in my 'reportage' ... this "telling all" here is a little catharsis for my reshaped ego... ... soon It'll be less exciting to tell, I'm sure. .. you know, like when someone wants to tell you about a dream they had; yeah interesting but, .. yawn, ... yadah yaddah yaddah, not my dream, what can I know about that...... how could I know your dream...? ..... Heh .. Then just try smoking my Aladdin's Lamp !
              • Re: Entities

                Sun, February 19, 2006 - 6:54 AM
                I had a similar experience once. I found myself in a very futuristic place, which reminded me of an airport, lots of "people" moving about. And there was some sort of podlike elevators which people went into to get to work. But instead of moving in any direction the pod changed their vibrations so that they vibrated on to the level where they did their work, which seemed like some sort of standard office thing, although with some very advanced equipment.

                They where still in the same place but only visible to the ones that where on the same "level", a good idea for making the most of the space I guess :)

                I was more of a spectator at this, it was more or less like I was giving a guided tour of this facility.
                • Re: Entities

                  Fri, March 3, 2006 - 4:25 PM
                  I have to report some observations from last nights experiment.

                  The launch process goes off without a hitch... one huge lungful, and then a second to finish the bowl, but it's not as 'cloudy' smoke. But I go through the 'entry' of hyperspace like a 'blip' .. I'm just there, in a room, the playpen. It wasn't frenetically busy this time, but there was something going on that my arrival 'interrupted' ... like a class and I just came up through the floor and spooked the class. !

                  I am now feeling very 'recognized' there are, young child-like beings expecting me. They show themselves as children, but this could be a disguise to 'buffer' the real form they have. They are totally non threatening that way; cute, shy, but very explicitily 'there' and showing themselves. Still some hide away in the background, but many sort of 'bask' in my gaze, letting me see.

                  Imagine a shrine like space carved out into the wall, inside sits a child. I'm in the room looking at the walls, mesmerized but watching intently, as the wall is covered in "hyperspace decor' ... coloured dots and bumps facets all over. This child is the least shy and I get to 'greet' it very deliberately, but it never leaves the altar space in the wall..

                  "Kids' run about pulling veils off all sorts of things, even showing themselves veiled and then covering up again. The kid in the shrine is the main one looking at me, most completely 'unveiled'. What used to be a 'sneaky' way of revealing with teh veil, now is more like "Ta dah" .! ... See .. ! kids curled up, hiding, crouching under veils... the playpen is occupied by kids 'in the walls' and running around the room.

                  The room is also occupied by the prescence of the snake; flicking a tongue, and hiding behind the kid in the wall. DMT space has always had this flicking prescence, I call it the snake since it's taken on that image too, and flicked it's tongue. The Snake and kids are soo familiar, and a constant in all my recent hyperspace launches.

                  I say "please let me watch" ... and all that I know is that I'm not supposed to wander off too far, it's ok to watch what's here in the play pen ... A adult female being also appears and is like the 'care taker' of the playpen... makes sure I don't 'wander' off... BUT I try to ! and so we end up playing 'keep away' .. I'm like a bratty kid in the play pen wanting to run amok too !

                  Now outside, the play pay seems under a trap door, I emerged above it by going through a roof, that has now become a large, mirrored, pool table sized altar. Outside since I see trees or jungle behind what appears to be an Aztec monument I am staning on, and I've emerged out of the top of it. The guardian figure chases me around the altar on top of this monument, which had become a huge mirrored table, and i try not to get caught ... then it's a game of ' woo hoo' look at me .. I'm here and I'm going to run around while I can .. ! ... She quickly engages me in the game of catch, which has me going in circles anyways so I'm really 'caught' by in this game of keep away. It's her job to keep me occupied... and she plays my game to get me back in her 'control' ...

                  The altar-table is my portal back out. and I have to thank everyone again, for being so permissive of me ... I was disruptive, but I amused them. And it's ok, ... they'll have 'more' for me next time... The re-entry is rapid, and I can't recall the acutal exit. I know I was "there' quite clearly .. I had arrived in the playpen and immediately knew that place. I descend to after-images in 2D, feeling warm and somewhat satisfied I got to see and remember so much this time of my waking dream...

                  Why is the veil-being-pulled such a repeated theme ..? A real 'action' to show me more of what's 'out there' ... the flicking snake presence and the kid in the wall might have been the same thing too...

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                    Re: Entities

                    Fri, March 3, 2006 - 7:35 PM
                    wow elk! i am patiently waiting to the the room of which you speak.

                    what's gonna happen when you get that 3rd toke down? i've read several posts calaiming that 3 is the magic number.

                    still solo?
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                      Fri, March 3, 2006 - 7:35 PM
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                        Re: Entities

                        Wed, March 29, 2006 - 1:00 PM
                        I found this interveiw with Jerry Garcia interesting, thought it should go here.


                        David: You say that you didn't have a near-death experience, but did anything happen that gave you any unusual insights?

                        Jerry: Well, I had some very weird experiences. My main experience was one of furious activity and tremendous struggle in a sort of futuristic, space-ship vehicle with insectoid presences. After I came out of my coma, I had this image of myself as these little hunks of protoplasm that were stuck together kind of like stamps with perforations between them that you could snap off. (laughter)

                        They were run through with neoprene tubing, and there were these insects that looked like cockroaches which were like message-units that were kind of like my bloodstream. That was my image of my physical self and this particular feeling lasted a long time. It was really strange.

                        David: That sounds really similar to a DMT experience.

                        Jerry: It was DMT-like as far as the intensity was concerned, but it lasted a couple of days!

                        David: Did it affect what you think might happens after death?

                        Jerry: No. It just gave me a greater admiration for the incredible baroque possibilities of mentation. The mind is so incredibly weird. The whole process of going into coma was very interesting too. It was a slow onset - it took about a week - and during this time I started feeling like the vegetable kingdom was speaking to me.

                        It was communicating in comic dialect in iambic pentameter. So there were these Italian accents and German accents and it got to be this vast gabbling. Potatoes and radishes and trees were all speaking to me. (laughter) It was really strange. It finally just reached hysteria and that's when I passed out and woke up in the hospital.

                        David: Do you feel that psychedelics might be a way for the vegetable kingdom to communicate with humans?

                        Jerry: I like that thought, but I don't know if it's true. The thing is that there's no way to prove this stuff. I would love it if somebody would put the energy into studying the mind and psychedelics to the extent where we could start to talk about these things and somebody could even throw forth a few suggestions as to what might be happening. There's no body of information - we need more research. These are questions that we should be asking, this is the important stuff.

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                        • Re: Entities

                          Wed, March 29, 2006 - 1:41 PM
                          I especially like Jerry's perspective in that very last section...
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                            Re: Entities

                            Sat, April 1, 2006 - 4:28 PM
                            Me too

                            Heres something I came across in a colection of writings called "Some of The Dharma" by Jack Keroauc, mostly his journals and small match book poems, but this peice was about entities, thought it should go here.

                            "-side-ways, all around, there were living beings hassled invisibly into imaginary forms like me believing themselves truly existent, gnashing the empty air, imagining their empty universes of atoms and inner empty universes and vast voids being born, abiding, and dying---all of it monstrous, strange hallucinated, so that In the sphere of infinite thought I saw that mankind was only an isolated instance in the Void, that there were all kinds of levels of sentience and perception all of it mistaken--- in fact I senced beings of another plane suddenly swimming through me like in pictures of phantoms passing through "concrete" objects with a pale phosphorescent transparency-- I suddenly realized it was not impossible for there to be miracles, levitation, telepathy, apocalyptic earthquakes started by the mind of some seer, and I saw how stupid I was to doubt any of the miracles of Jesus, Buddha, Edgar Cayce, Ste.Theresa or Mysef---"

                            The part about the "beings-swimming thru me" reminded me of DMT
  • Because you asked...

    Mon, April 10, 2006 - 9:07 PM
    Where to begin...I suppose I should state that it took about 5 or 6 "attempts" at a breakthrough. unknown ammounts where used, I was scared and honestly a little prude about "piling it on". On the 6th attempt lets say I saw ...something...very unclear working the "strings" of the geometrical patterns I was focusing on....it was formless, but i KNEW of its presence.

    Before one reads on I want you to know why I define them as Elves. To me they always appear as the same, that is what astonishes me the most, they are familer every single time. Sometimes they have clothes, other times they don't. They always have Eyes that gleam with divine light (never pupils), they have a face with a chin and nose...and always I see pointed ears. I call them Elves because in most fantasy worlds the Elfin races are of higher intellect, they have pointy ears and are vested in the arts of magick. And to me these "entities" embody all those things. I find myself often wanting to bite my lip when I regard them with pointy ears but I must give you all the truth as I have experianced it.

    Breakthrough #1: 2 hits from a waterpipe. Unknown ammount, it may be described as "alot". The Breakthrough was instant, I looked around and I was in the middle of the biggest rave/party/festival I have ever seen. The "crowd" went for miles in all directions it seems, when I decided to pay attention to anyone in partcilar in the crowd I noticed they all wore the most ornate clothing made of shifting geometrics, and they had pointy ears! they all danced with rave toys of the future: I can describe one mechanism perfectly. This elf holds two wands one in each hand, on the end of the wand glistened a gem of spasming colors. With these wands an elf was controlling a shifting geometrical shape around, the wands are like devil sticks if anyone knows what that is... throwing instead of another stick around effortless in the air, would be a circle, that turned into a square, that turned into a hexagon, a pentagon, etc, etc, etc, etc. This toy was completly captivating...i was tranced up untill I noticed the music of this party was INCREDIBLE!!! the bass was poooounding and the grooves where out of this dimension for sure. I took quick notice that I thought some elfs wore skirts, i thought "does that one have a skirt? is it a female?" ...I suddenly noticed myself flying towards a huge temple in the distance. This next part is hard to describe but I'll do my best. I was initiated through a ceremonial "rights of passage", They had the same ornate clothing as the elfs from the festival but this time they had very tall egyptian pharoh looking hats with a Golden Serpent coming from the forehead of the headdress. I can describe the initian like this, you know the childs game london bridge where you send a person through an arch made by two people holding hands? this is exactly what I went through, elfs on either side of me where forming an arch by holding the hands of the elfs across from each other. I flew under maybe a couple hundered thousand sets of elf made archways before I hit the temple gate...the second I hit the gate there was the white light; at this point I opened my eyes and gasped for air...I was looking at the grass and the sun had just set.

    #2. Unknown Ammount, another large pile in waterpipe. I was serverly intimidated by intensity of the last experiance that I chickened out at the last second, a friend who was watching reassured me all would be fine....This time it was taken in 1 hit. The first thing I noticed was a quick flash of patterns, than I noticed there where hands holding a tool, twisting a pixel as if it was a screw and ratchet. It occured to me during the experiance the tool being held was the same "tool" they used for the rave toy from the previous trip. Now that I had noticed the tool I noticed the tools owner, an elf (garbed in clothing that was very much apart of the patterns going on around it) with pointy ears was weaving the fabric of reality together. Once i noticed him weaving the fabric of existance, I saw them all, creating. This was when the mother of all things presented herself, she was gorgous, her skin sheening gold and hair vibrant shades of blue and green. she floated/hoverd (all I could see of her was from her upper chest and above, just like a puppet master working above the scenes) above all the elfs that where busy weaving and creating microuniverses. After she flew in and told me to not be afraid, that she loved me very much and she said "this is all going to happen very fast, you don't have much time here and we have so much to show you: pay attention"...with this I noticed the long cords that ran from the elves to the mothers fingertips, she was bending and manipulating her fingers which caused the elfs to move and function. I followed a cord from her fingers to an elf, where my vision zoomed in and I saw this elf creating a perfect sphere out of cogs. it was amazingly complex with many layers of cogs that had their own shifting geometrical patterns. past this part of my experiance is a complete blur, I was shown many many things at the speed of light. The next thing I remember her saying is "we've shown you all we can" and I was floating away from her, she was growing smaller fainter and soon she faded into the already fading geometrics.

    Experiance #3. Unknown ammount in conjunction with mushrooms. 1 lungfull from a waterpipe: I am inclined to believe the ammount I had on this experiance was far less than what I had done previously, but my mind set may have played a large role. I missed the breakthrough, but the visual pattern created for me is beyond words...I was truely flabergasted by its beauty....it moved and shifted to enchanting harmonics. I remained in a trance for a good hour because of the mushrooms and litterly just laid down and fell asleep afterwords.

    Experiance #4. Before this experiance I felt like I had made some of the upmost progress, I had been given sacared knowledge and initiation, made contact and communicated with the entities. I felt "accepted" by this point and any anxiety or fear i've had of the experiance had left. 1 lungfull from a waterpipe of unknown doseage. I held this one in as long as I could, per recommendations. I blew the smoke out and and saw shifting squares. I looked at one particular square and it opened like a door, very tiny, and a road was created instantly and a female elf with (im not kidding) a plaid skirt came running up to me, at first she was small because the doorway she came out of was far away, but she ran down the road with super speed and ran right up to me, with the biggest smile on her face she started waving at me. I looked from her to the doorway she had come out of and it appeared to me that she came out of ...a bathroom?! but...that diddn't make any fucking sense. So i stated to myself "you have a bathroom in here?"...she laughed and ran back into the door she had come out of (the bathroom) and as the door closed the entire vision turned into another vision of an elf playing a game of pool! 8-ball side pocket kinda pool, as the vision appeared I felt them say "yea we have a bathroom, we play this game too"
    and than the vision returned back into shifting patterns. I took no notice of these patterns and said to myself "pool?!" and than the vision flashed BACK to them playing pool and I heard "yes, pool"...and as quick as it shifted to them playing it went back to patterns. This cycled about 3 or 4 times before Instead of going "pool?!" I thought "why do they play pool? pool (I think) is a horrible game"...vision flashed back to them playing pool and they said, as if I was unaware, "because! IT'S SO FUN!!!!" I did not have any time to register before they said "and by the way, all that chakra stuff is real, see look" and they showed me all of my chakras working together in harmony, sending energy around the matrix of my body. As I was shown this my jaw started to hang open and I heard an elf say "if it helps you cope with our existance you can just let your jaw hang in astonishment"....boy did that freak me out to be suggested to do something as I was in the process of doing it. With that last tidbit of advice they left me ....completely bewildered.

    #5. I can't describe the experiance much at all, they formed themselfs with less detail....more like shadows amongst the visual patterns. I tried to do a 3rd eye Chakra meditation (with closed eyes you stare at the point between your eyebrows) because I thought it may bring them into the forefront with clarity . as I did this I felt a painfull surge of electricity shoot out of my brain and run down my spine and through my body. As I did this I received 1 message which was "You don't have to think that hard here, be easy". My mind relaxed at this point and I focused in on the buzzing and the full body massage I was receiving from some sort of sexy tenticals (felt like an orgasm) for the rest of the experiance as I baselined.

    #6 1 lungfull from a waterpipe. was 75mg. Before I went to hyperspace I heard my friend say "theres still more in here, take another hit" but it was too late...my eyes shut and I saw them "crawl out of the woodwork" as terrence described once, they where jumping and doing tripple backflip twists from one side of my visual field to the other,having a gay time dancing all around. my vision zoomed back and I noticed that the elfs that were dancing and jumping around formed the body of a of a very large elf. I had to look up at him to see his face. He zoomed in close to me and I saw a huge smile on his face. He said "You're going to put your hands on your face" but he said this to me just as I was putting my hands over my face to hide from him! he was kinda scarey looking, he had the most mischevious grin on his face. My astonishment grew deeper; How did he know I was going to put my hands on my face?!...He than said "You're going to look left" as he said this I turned my head to the left, every visual pattern behind the elf turned into ARROWS pointing LEFT!!! ...he suggested that because I had looked left, looking right would be the most obvious and relevant thing for me to do next. As I did so the arrows turned from pointing left to pointing right.
    I looked back at him and I was astonished and horrified at their ability to do one of two things. They either had the ability to a) Read your mind, and control your mind. They know what you are going to do before you do it, and they are the instigaters of thoughts and actions. or b) They know what you're thinking as soon as you think it....either way I was dead set on being completely beside myself with this notion. Before the elf left he said "your jaw" and I noticed It was hanging wide open...at this point I opened my eyes and my friend who had blasted off before me was sitting there smiling at me. ...

    #7 is the most recent. doseage was between 75-100mg, 1 lungfull from a waterpipe. As soon as I broke through and saw them; they where doing truely the most amazing thing I had ever witnessed.specificly the thought I had was "wow this is so incredible I can't wait to tell xxx about this", with this they sort of mocked me and said "you think THIS is incredible? wait till you see...this" and with the word "this" it was beyond any comprehension all that was displayed...I had been listening to a song that I will routinely use for psychedelic excursions, so im very familer with it. If im listening to any part of the song I know exactly how much time is left before it ends, so I clued into the fact the song was almost over! It had been about 3mins and I did not have much time in this most sacred of places. An elf floated up to me and counted down on his millions of fingers "you have 100 seconds with us, 99 seconds with us, 98 seconds with us.." I sat, tranced as he put down a finger for each second reamaining. When it was all done he said "Times up, but before you go we wanted to give you something"
    a hand reached out from behind me, over my shoulder, a very blurry thing was being held in the hand of the outstretched arm. This "thing" was placed exactly in the center of my focal point. As it was placed into my focal point it went from being an undescribable blurry mess to the most beautifull ornamente I've ever seen. If the dmt elves have christmas trees this is what they decorate them with. It glistened with such beauty I was swollen with tears untill it faded.


    I've held back from posting these trips in any ammount of lenghty detail for along time. partly because of the fact that I hardly believe my own experiances, let alone inviting someone else to believe.
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      Re: Because you asked...

      Tue, April 11, 2006 - 12:05 PM
      That was very beautiful! Funk...!!!
      holy, I felt I could picture what you were revealing in my own mind, thank you!
      The part about the elves all stuck together to make a bigger elve was familiar! Ive seen that with things like trees, they actually being constructed of many elve creatures all stuck together.
      Thanks again!
      • Re: Because you asked...

        Tue, April 11, 2006 - 1:09 PM
        Yes. A multitude of smaller elves, closely interweaving, forming larger elves,
        with dominion over larger parts of Gaia, there are also very large,
        what could be called landscape angels, that holds dominion over large
        areas, mountains, forests and such.

        There's a great book by Kathleen T Carr, here:
        www.kathleencarr.com/books_e...rth.html
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          Re: Because you asked...

          Thu, April 13, 2006 - 11:37 AM
          I just read a very interesting book called "The psychonauts guide to the invisible landscape" By - Dan Carpenter. It is a fun book, thou Dan Carpenter is now dead.
          Because he is dead, I had the feeling that I should put the book on the web for people to read for free. Its published by Shambala press, and also contains obligatory plugs for Daniel Pinchbeck........

          If free, people could save the $$$ and Gas for transporting the book would be cut, ect ect. And im sure Dan Carpenter wont mind, he's probally eating "mind-Cake" right now.

          www.valorebooks.com/Search.D...Search.do
          • Re: Because you asked...

            Fri, April 21, 2006 - 8:22 AM
            ""wow this is so incredible I can't wait to tell xxx about this", with this they sort of mocked me and said "you think THIS is incredible? wait till you see...this" and with the word "this" it was beyond any comprehension all that was displayed"

            Hyperspeed through the fractal "tunnel".

            Yes. I just recollected something similar when I read this. Thanks.
            You have a talent for creative visual writing.
            Do share more.
            Love. Grattitude. Respect.
            PUMA
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              Re: Because you asked...

              Fri, April 21, 2006 - 6:20 PM
              my first "entity" encounter with elf spice was pretty nice... i had just gotten off of work from this job i hated and was some what stressed. the setting was my friends rural back yard, summer time in the PNW very nice day. we smoked and peceptual roller coaster ride ensued the motion was making me sick so he handed me a eye pillow and i layed on my back in the yard. all of a sudden i am floating or flying with a birds eye view of the place down town that i worked, it was pretty amazing! then these two african women were there flying with me, they were dressed in traditional colorfull african sarongs and their hair was wrapped like a big easter egg on their head, some of you may have seen this sort of dress in pictures of africa.
              they showed me this place and then they folded the three dimensional space into a little ball like a peice of paper and threw it away saying this is not what you are...this is what you are! and then bam colors and patterns of energy i was not aware of my physical body as i breathed this energy in i started spilting down the middle as my central channel opened up all of my charkas opening up at once it was amazing! i had at that point never really had an experince of my self as this at this time of my life and it was exactly what i needed to know at the time. i opened my eyes and i saw animals spirits ( they count as entities as well) floating about doing their work in nature. i could see all this energy that i saw behind my eyes interacting and moving physical matter it was quite amazing.
              mattter follows spirit...
              this was nearly 10 years ago, since then i have had more experinces with enitites then i can shake a stick at.
              but this was my first...in DMT space...
  • Re: Entities

    Sun, April 23, 2006 - 4:53 PM
    Three large tokes> hey this is happening fast> eyes close, flying through large psychadelic kaleidoscope> disembodied now, hovering hundreds of feet above, watching myself and all the movement around me> what sounds like intelligent language of super low frequency coming from below (earth?), but i can't understand it> what sounds like intelligent language of super high frequency coming from above (space?), also can not understand> re-embodying now, eyes open slowly, my body is in wave form, looking at my arms which have no deffinate form, a continual ripple> this slowly fades and i awaken to normal consciousness.
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      Re: Entities

      Mon, May 22, 2006 - 4:54 PM
      Wow cool thread…

      I noticed that matt mentioned some munckin type characters whom at first he trusted and then didn’t.. I had a similar experience on my first and sadly only DMT trip.

      I was in Delhi and had a hit on some Acacia DMT. The first entity I encountered was after the audios started (a na, nan, nan ,nan…sound) and the world began to get red streams.. this spinning red ball manifested and came towards me…. Inside was a sitting ‘buddha’.. I reached up and touched it and it exploded into a completely different world… it was cartoon world; like something road runner would have felt at home in… and along bopped these cartoon characters and they seemed pleased and beckoned me on…

      I began to follow them but the world whilst colourful was flat; it was devoid of detail (like a cartoon) I stopped and shook my head and remember telling them that I was looking for somewhere else but they just continued to call/wave me in. that’s when I became suspicious of them and began to look for a way out. I spotted a yellow door (best description I can give) and as I reached up for it they began to get angry and grew teeth! But it was all mouth and no trousers and I laughed at them then touched the ‘door’ and bang I was in casino world… no beings just hundreds of spinning purple drums (like slot machine drums). Again I spotted a ‘door’ this time purple and reaching up touched it and I was in space…… here I met some other beings..

      This was most strange… the beings were a cross between lizards and birds having beaks but no feathers and completely green. Although I couldn’t see all of the beings bodies because they were wearing purple cloaks and sat in large floating chairs..

      These beings were ‘basking’ in the light.. the light was an ice blue light having an uv type of effect and was originating from behind me. I wanted to turn to face the light but as I did the space moved or rotated with me so that the light remained behind. I spoke to the beings saying “let me see the light” but they just shook their heads… then I dropped out and the room came back..

      The trip wasn’t over because my friend handed me the pipe saying “you didn’t finish it. I tried to offer it to you before but you were having non of it”

      Desperate to go back to the space place I sucked the dregs up and again the ‘buddha’ came I touched and again I was in cartoon world. I began laughing at the beings and again they grew teeth before reaching up for the ‘door’. I was seriously laughing and woke up half the hotel!!!

      Unfortunately I didn’t make it to space instead a large black hooded serpent appeared. I would have said it was at least 10ft in length with its tail coiled and its head raised 5ft or so off the floor. We had a conversation in which I accused it of being a fraud and began laughing at it. It hissed and I hissed back.. I was still hissing at it when the room began to come back into focus.. my last words were “next time”..

      Eight hours later I was on a flight back to London.. that was last august and I’ve been keen to get some more DMT to go ‘tripping’ again…

      Especially to meet with the lizard/birds and get to see the light!!

      i'm particularly interested in hearing if anyone else has met these beings in their purple coats and floating recliners

      regards

      greenman-23
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        Re: Entities

        Tue, May 23, 2006 - 4:56 PM
        mmm... never met those beings but there is something about reptilian like creatures and dimensionality- just a thought...
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          Re: Entities

          Tue, May 23, 2006 - 5:24 PM
          nagas love dmt...
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            Re: Entities

            Wed, May 24, 2006 - 1:25 AM
            so does the manitis check out this...

            www.supyo.com/home/crazyp...-barnaby.gif
            • Re: Entities

              Wed, May 24, 2006 - 7:10 AM
              I was at a party and did a little too much partying I guess. I fell dormat on a chair with my head back and my body solid. While others thought I passed out, I know I didn't. I felt myself falling through the void, constantly falling. All of a sudden I entered a body, wittnessed faces of people I did not know, they were laughing and having a good time, they were Italians, then I found myself falling through the void again, this time I entered a body of someone and again wittnessing different people and again they were enjoying themselves, I believe these people were German because I could read some ot the Literature that was on the wall, again I fell through and into the void. This time I fell longer and into the body of an Asian, again the people were having a good time and I felt they were having a party, I couldn't understand the language but It was as clear as a bell. This continued for hours apparently, when I came to, I felt myself enter into my body from the top of my head, I could see it and the people in the room who were still partying. When I tried to explain what happened to one of my friends, she told me that she had the same of familar experience, and felt as if she was partying all over the world. Once she said that I realized that, that was exactly what I was doing.

              One time while sitting at my trailor, I did some shrums, I sat there and in contemplation, I enetered a world where there in front of me where some horsemen dressed in some type of royal clothing or uniform. One man dismounted his horse and approached me, he was tall and very strong looking. He noticed that my clothes were different than his and mentioned the strange attire. I cannot remember what he said clearly but it was like, what land do you come from. I then snapped out of it.

              I came to the conclusion that these worlds do exist in the hear and now. That we live on a plane of existence that borders these other planes. When a drug is introduced to the brain it breaks down the conditioned mind. The inner mind now has the ability to be outside of time and space and enter into realities that are harmounious to who you are. Of course with these drugs others may not have the same experience therefore those who are of a certain level that can handle this type of experience seem to continue with the useage while others shy away because of the conditioned mind. After reading all the post I noticed that many of the experiences seem to deal with the minds ability to precieve what it is that tends to be important to the person. A Vision that the Indians use to have. I persoanlly think that these types of drugs are of a certain spiritual truths. Look at the religious beliefs of the world, Christ from Lebanon, Krishna from India, Zorastor from Afganistan and so on, all areas of high drug use from poppies to Pot. The indians of the west coast Shrums, Indians from the planes herbs and cactus. Peyote and so on.
              • Re: Entities

                Fri, May 26, 2006 - 8:31 AM
                They always seem to want to impart, "Be careful of your heart"...
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                  Re: Entities

                  Fri, May 26, 2006 - 10:38 AM
                  very observant of you Galero... if there's one thing i've noticed is that heart energy or 'emotions' are some pretty powerful things... indeed.
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                    Re: Entities

                    Sat, May 27, 2006 - 2:35 AM
                    Yes !.. do you mean it like I keep thinking, and wondering ?... why it is that emotional content, so quickly fills the space between two opposites ? A plus and minus, yes and no, ...good and bad thoughts can be 'beheld' at once by the emotional force that charges up between them ...

                    'Spirits' .. the 'entities', are similarly charged. I think we have language skills that has an untapped emotive ability too ... imagination that's emotive ...many entities ask to 'give up your emotions' ... and it feels good ! pour it out ! .... multiple heart-gasms and brain-gasms.. ! ... multiple Beingasms !
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                      Re: Entities

                      Sat, May 27, 2006 - 8:27 AM
                      Elka- am i the only one that understands you? i don't mean any offense by this- but your writing and your intentions don't match exactly- but YES darling- you are very much correct. Emotional energy IS the REASON for creation, hence the power behind all creation. Without emotions, there would certainly not be this Universe...yes... you're on the right track.
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                        Re: Entities

                        Sat, May 27, 2006 - 12:41 PM
                        a spirit showed me once how to be aware of my emotions and my responses to things but to some what stand back and just be aware fo them, so that i was not swept away by the fierce waters of my scorpio nature. that level of objectivity can give you great compassion.
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                          Re: Entities

                          Sat, May 27, 2006 - 7:03 PM
                          yes.. i tend to see us as having three levels (current) of evolution ...

                          instinct (also intuition) which can be devided into ignorance and wisdom (higher and lower)

                          emotion (which has a neutral aspect of fear)

                          and intellect (in which one finds higher [unconditional] love.

                          i sometimes refere to these as the lizard, the monkey and the Gaian psyche.

                          emotion is what i feelholds us back ..it creates desire and where that cant be filled hate..

                          a little off the track given the title of the thread but then that's what i like about tribe.. good threads evolve...

                          regards

                          greenman23
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                            Mon, June 5, 2006 - 12:53 AM
                            In my limited experience with entities the one similarity that pervades for me is their extreme interest in my emotions, as if they lack the ability to "feel" anything themselves. The knowledge that is offered, such as the geometries, would suggest to me they make up for it in smarts. I am always pleased to be reminded of the smaller things I may have overlooked in my accounts when reading coincidental experiences.
                            DMT is not lying.
                            Again, I am so glad for this forum. This is important information to be sharing, someway or another.
                            PUMA

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