DMT 3AM

topic posted Tue, April 22, 2008 - 10:24 PM by  Onlynow

I found this tribe through searching about 3rd eye.

I read experiences posted here by folks which is very similar to mine over the years. Though I have never taken DMT or any other drug other than smoking pot a little at one point.

I read on one thread that someone mentioned that DMT is released in the body at 3AM

I'm very curious to learn if anyone has links or more information to this?

I saw a link to Erowid.com but I can't find mention of 3AM in there yet.
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Onlynow
SF Bay Area
  • Re: DMT 3AM

    Tue, April 22, 2008 - 10:26 PM
    dmt is always inside of us

    all the time, man.

    endogenously.
    • Re: DMT 3AM

      Wed, April 23, 2008 - 8:13 PM
      I wonder how it is in some studies that
      schizophrenics can't handle the excess
      of DMT produced in their pineal glands.
      I seem to be doing fine. Cowboy up!
      • Re: DMT 3AM

        Wed, April 23, 2008 - 8:37 PM
        I;ve been told 3am is the "witching hour", now I know why!
        • Re: DMT 3AM

          Wed, April 23, 2008 - 9:39 PM
          it's obviously easier to trip off of natural endogenous alkaloid soups during prolonged periods of darkness.

          go sit in a cave for five days
          and yeah you'll see in the dark
          glowing
          voices
          soaring sitting
          nowhere
          • Re: DMT 3AM

            Thu, April 24, 2008 - 7:29 AM
            I've slept in a cave for 3 days... that WAS a TRIP! Had a dream of giant mud men that were disturbed at my being there...
            I've also stayed up without sleep for 5 days...
            but was disapointed that I didn't trip... only felt weird...
            • Re: DMT 3AM

              Thu, April 24, 2008 - 8:55 AM
              yeah I'm not a fan of sleep deprivation.
              light deprivation is a different story, though.
              I usually get crazy visuals around 4am in the dark everything bends if I'm awake.
              and if I'm asleep
              then I'm soaring.
              • Re: DMT 3AM

                Tue, April 29, 2008 - 10:52 PM
                I guarantee you there is no scientific basis for that theory, if that means anything to you.
                • Re: DMT 3AM

                  Wed, April 30, 2008 - 4:15 AM
                  so there's no scientific evidence that light deprivation causes visual distortion?

                  psssh!
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                    Re: DMT 3AM

                    Wed, April 30, 2008 - 4:23 AM
                    so there's no scientific evidence that light deprivation causes visual distortion?

                    Is that what you said Lux?

                    No evidence that light deprivation allows one to see subconcious mind processes as 3dimensional constructions' ~

                    You say there is no evidence?

                    Wow'

                    Of where is science being going all these years'

                    The optic centre of the brain pics up all light' not just the light going through your eyes'~

                    So there is no scientific evidence that if you sit in a totaly blackened out room an smoke a pipe of spice, of what you see, is what exactly, nothing?
                    Or if you sit in the dark for long enough' you see' awesoem stuff'~



                    Come on Lux, I know you bro' science can't even prove science'

                    Of what is the light visuals of hypnogogics, if it is not light being exchanged through cells receptors and such' we can see this all the time' behind our eyelids'~

                    Mo'~
                    • Re: DMT 3AM

                      Wed, April 30, 2008 - 4:47 AM
                      and the thing is,
                      you don't NEED a pipe of spice
                      because we are spice
                      and when it's late the walls will sometimes crawl around.
                      my sister, who doesn't work with the medicines at all, has reported seeing extreme visual distortion at night.

                      If someone can tell me where I can find a good cave,
                      I will go into this cave for 5 days and report what happens.

                      For real. It must be done soon. I'm writing a story, and would like to include the truth in there as well.

                      Maybe lux was talking about the "more dmt @ 3am" thing which there isn't any "Scientific basis" for
                      but things like melatonin
                      and all the other weird things mix with everything in a neuroelectrically dense soup
                      so we can see the other channels.

                      Unscientific, poetic, slowly but surely, peaces
                      • Re: DMT 3AM

                        Fri, May 2, 2008 - 4:24 PM
                        I apologize if my previous statement was unclear.

                        There is no scientific evidence that endogenous DMT is involved with naturally-occurring visions, dreams, end-of-life visions, or visual disturbances of any kind, much less that DMT is released into the blood stream at 3 am. Happily the Cottonwood Research Foundation is investigating these hypotheses.
                        • Re: DMT 3AM

                          Fri, May 16, 2008 - 7:40 AM
                          >There is no scientific evidence that endogenous DMT is involved with
                          >naturally-occurring visions, dreams, end-of-life visions, or visual
                          >disturbances of any kind,

                          This is really sort of a non-statement. It is equally true that there is no scientific evidence that DMT is not involved. An unbiased statement about our state of knowledge on the topics mentioned is simply:

                          “the psycho-physiological mechanisms involved in the production of naturally-occurring visions, dreams, end-of-life visions, and many types of visual disturbances are currently unknown.”

                          It is certainly premature to focus exclusively on DMT (there are a number of other compounds which either definitely occur in the human brain or likely can be produced by the brain which might trigger visionary experiences). Visionary experiences that are not triggered by an exogenous drug clearly still have some sort of psychopharmacology underlying them. Endogenous tryptamines appear to be as likely a candidate as anything.

                          Out of curiosity, what mechanism do you favor to explain the very dramatic visions that occur in prolonged total light deprivation?

                          Lux, can you send me some pointers on the Cottonwood research you alluded to,

                          Thanks
                          Ryan

                          PS
                          Many light deprivation studies have been horribly flawed in that they don’t make any attempt to exclude all sources of light…
                        • Re: DMT 3AM

                          Sat, May 17, 2008 - 11:36 PM
                          >There is no scientific evidence that endogenous DMT is involved with naturally-occurring visions, dreams, end-of-life visions, or visual disturbances of any kind, much less that DMT is released into the blood stream at 3 am. Happily the Cottonwood Research Foundation is investigating these hypotheses.

                          I guess it depends on how one defines "scientific evidence." To me it appears that there is some pretty compelling "scientific evidence" to support the notion that endogenous DMT may be involved in naturally-occurring visionary-type experiences and dreams. The evidence comes from Rick Strassman's studies at the University of New Mexico. There are some very uncanny similarities between naturally-occurring mystical experiences, near-death experiences, and non-human entity contact experiences, and what the subjects in Strassman's study reported after injections of DMT. As someone mentioned, DMT is always present in our brains. It's a neurotransmitter, probably produced by the pineal gland, although we're not sure. But we do know that the levels of DMT in our brains change throughout the day, and they tend to be highest in the middle of the night--around 3:00 am--when people are asleep and dreaming. Elevated DMT levels have also been found in the cerebral spinal fluid of some schizophrenics. All this, to me, adds up to a some to some pretty compelling evidence that endogenous DMT may be involved in mediating our interpretation of the signals that we define as reality.

                          ~David Jay Brown
                          • Re: DMT 3AM

                            Sun, May 18, 2008 - 11:25 PM
                            I would think that the time in which DMT is released into any individuals system naturally would depend totally on their cycle of rest, and not limited to a time of day or night.
                            • Re: DMT 3AM

                              Sun, May 18, 2008 - 11:49 PM
                              >I would think that the time in which DMT is released into any individuals system naturally would depend totally on their cycle of rest, and not limited to a time of day or night.

                              I'm sure that you're right, to some degree--or else, if the DMT theory of dreaming is correct, then we wouldn't be able to dream during the day--but I think that darkness may also play a role in the elevated levels of DMT that could possibly be associated with dreaming. Chemically, DMT and melatonin are very closely related, and we know that the brain starts producing melatonin after the sun sets.

                              ~David Jay Brown
                              • Re: DMT 3AM

                                Mon, May 19, 2008 - 12:03 AM
                                forgive my inexperience, but wouldn't that mean that a spice journey would be more effective at night then, because of the already heightened level of DMT in your body?
                                • Re: DMT 3AM

                                  Mon, May 19, 2008 - 2:27 AM
                                  >forgive my inexperience, but wouldn't that mean that a spice journey would be more effective at night then, because of the already heightened level of DMT in your body?

                                  Now, that sounds like an interesting topic for someone's Ph.D. dissertation. The only person that I can think of at the moment, who has experimented with, and written about, trying to time psychedelic trips with when their own endogenous DMT levels are supposedly highest is Zoe 7. I can't recall exactly what the details were right now, but I think that he set an alarm clock for 2:55 am, and then--immediately upon awakening--smoked some salvia divinorum, with interesting results. I think that this was either in his book *Into the Void* or *Back from the Void*, but I'm not sure. In any case, I found his books fascinating; he's done some mind-blowing experiments combining various psychedelics with different neurotechnologies. His Web site is: www.zoe7.com

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