why is DMT so ancient and futuristic?
When one is deep in the territory of DMT, one can see the music.
it forms rapid, complicated art that's constantly morphing
through futuristic organic machine-like precision.
The amazonian curenderos singing icaros which manifest themselves as visions through space . .
Terence mckenna speculated that being able to communicate like this is a next step in our evolution.
Why else would DMT be inside of us?
(Provocative)
When one is deep in the territory of DMT, one can see the music.
it forms rapid, complicated art that's constantly morphing
through futuristic organic machine-like precision.
The amazonian curenderos singing icaros which manifest themselves as visions through space . .
Terence mckenna speculated that being able to communicate like this is a next step in our evolution.
Why else would DMT be inside of us?
(Provocative)
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Re: cymatic
Wed, April 30, 2008 - 9:54 AMIve done spice three times in the last 2 days. Once Momosa, twice Acacia. Its confirmed that acacia is more friendly, but god that taste almost throws the whole trip off. All of these conversations has made me want to back in and clarify. Spice always brings me to the same space.
When I did it last night, I could feel it take action right in the classical third eye, like a blanket coming out of my forhead and wrapping my body. I had on a cd of Ali Farka.
Dmt in moderate doses, for me, exsposes the quintessential of life. the room becomes the pure palace, just slowley pulsating and flowing with an intense beauty.
On the higher doses, it is very apparent that man is not actually a creature living in a demension, But rather, man IS a demension. The most novel aspect of it,
every atom might be a worm hole, but it is life that has been formed and created, stablized by bonds of resonance that IS the circumference of the worm hole becoming what is passing thru the worm hole, because what is passing thru, is so powerful that it transforms all matter into its own image thru some kind of resonance.
We are the circumference of a worm hole, and what is poking thru us, is this magnificant, all power full matter warping creature that is SO AMAZING. As this hyper organized creatures passes thru the worm hole, the matter that makes up the circumference of the worm hole is bent so severly, and the resonation is so strong that the matter begins to become conscious also, self aware and highly organized, just like the creature/thing that is passing thru.
The matter that is being morphed and sculpted is located in the 3d (wherever that is?) The creature that is passing thru is what the 3d is calling "inner space"
Smoking spice, is like getting all your moleculer ducks in a row, so the flow of this creature can pour thru undisturbed.
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Re: cymatic
Wed, April 30, 2008 - 10:00 AMI asked my teacher what do you believe. "I believe in belief" was his reply. He was unwilling to define his standpoint in belief other than that.
Some years back I was eating large amounts of L in regular intervals. During this time I'd achieve satori at higher points every journey. One night I was with a friend who was not under the influence. "You popped!"... "your crown chakra has opened." she said to me. At this moment I was able to project my visuals onto the sky and she could see them!! In a few moments we were having conversation. A different friend was present too. As this fellow interrupted the flow of our conversation she looked over at him and bowed. A confused look washed over his face. Now I was free to speak uninterrupted. I pushed my words forth and they became audible, but they were not coming from my body. My mouth and throat were in some sort of paralysis. The friend she had just bowed to streamed my words out in preciseness. It felt as if I were controlling him like a marionette, but I was unable to edit or contrive my words at this point. Just pure truth as I knew it. What was made obvious by this experience was that separation is illusion. As my belief was transformed so was reality! People feel more comfortable with the belief of separateness. Whenever I point out that the boundaries are illusion and force belief through a change there is a reflexive fear reaction. Not many are willing to dissolve ego and allow free reign in their personal temple by those aware of it.
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Re: cymatic
Wed, April 30, 2008 - 11:15 AMWow, no wonder these drugs are illegal... What would our current system do if we realized our potential?
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Wed, April 30, 2008 - 12:46 PMare you serious Jona?
wow, I mean, this sounds real... Must be that we have always had this? Or, are the plants teaching us something new?
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Re: cymatic
Wed, April 30, 2008 - 6:21 PMwe are dmt.
it goes far beyond plants.
implants.
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Re: cymatic(s)?
Fri, May 2, 2008 - 6:43 AMik, still trying to figure out the relevance of your post's title, considering cymatics represents the study of wave phenomena. Cymatics as coinded by Hans Jenny is typically associated with the physical patterns produced through the interaction of sound waves in a medium -- the basis for why I personally consider sound as the main creative principle in the *physical* universe, giving rise to form (particles structured/ordered along resonance patterns) and as such producing unique self-maintaining energy signatures; the basis of all physical manifestations. Hence the enormous power of music, both on a mental and physiological level... Knowing you're actively dabbling with sounds yerself, any relevance at all here?
For a succinct summary of this principle, check out the new png in our photo album.
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Re: cymatic(s)?
Fri, May 2, 2008 - 10:28 AMHumans dont live IN a demension called the third. Humans physically are the 3rd demension (obviously).
We are not humans.
We are an enormous hyper inteligent highley organized aware creature of sorts (you wouldnt be able to tell that based on my spelling!)
that is some how passing near or coming into the third demension.
This creature is so highly organized and teeming with hyper novelty, that as it comes closer to the 3rd demension, the matter in the 3rd demension starts to resonate with that of the creature, matter becomes more highly organized, forming more and more novel bodys, until a critical mass is attained and a hole is opened , this is when the first dream was experienced. Like a dam being opened, or bridge being construct.
As this creature neared closer and matter continued to resonate faster and faster, matter began to become to develope the notion of self, matter caught in the grips of resonance,
Matter/animals\plants are continuing to to transform as this creature draws near, matter looking and acting more and more like the creature it is resonating with.
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Fri, May 2, 2008 - 11:32 AMDMT showed me how to see cymatics
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Tue, May 6, 2008 - 9:02 AMik: "DMT showed me how to see cymatics"
Good enough :)
Apparently, DMT also invoked a deep understanding of the Heart Sutra
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Yeh Cymatics in the Mind of doG
Fri, May 2, 2008 - 11:55 AMomg wait a second... brainsturbator.com/pdf/Neur...heory.pdf
Various patterns of standing waves on fluid surfaces generated by vibrating the
containing vessels with various driving frequencies, producing A: hexagonal, B:
rectangular lattice, C: quasi-crystal patterns, among many more. D: This pattern is
defined more by the shape of the walls of the container rather than by the driving
waveform, showing how interference patterns in the resonating system tend to
subdivide the resonating system into periodic and symmetric sub-patterns in an
essentially Gestalt manner.
7.1 Reaction-Diffusion Systems
The utility of standing wave patterns as a representation of spatial form is demonstrated by the fact that
nature makes use of a resonance representation in another unrelated aspect of biological function, that of
embryological morphogenesis, or the development of spatial structure in the embryo. After the initial cell
divisions following fertilization, the embryo develops into an ellipsoid of essentially undifferentiated
tissue. Then, at some critical point a periodic banded pattern is seen to emerge as revealed by appropriate
Harmonic Resonance Theory
cns-alumni.bu.edu/pub/sleha...1/hr1.html (15 of 37) [3/6/2002 11:58:20 AM]
staining techniques, shown in figure 3 A. This pattern indicates an alternating pattern of concentration of
morphogens, i.e. chemicals that permanently mark the underlying tissue for future development. This
pattern is sustained despite the fact that the morphogens are free to diffuse through the embryo. The
mechanism behind the emergence of this periodic pattern is a chemical harmonic resonance known as
reaction diffusion (Turing 1952, Prigogine & Nicolis 1967, Winfree 1974, Welsh et al. 1983) in which a
continuous chemical reaction involving a morphogen P catalyzes the production of more morphogen P as
well as of a morphogen S, but the concentration of morphogen S in turn inhibits production of
morphogen P (see Gilbert 1988 pp 655-661 for a summary). The result of this circular reaction is
analogous to the periodic patterns of a resonating steel plate. The chemical harmonic resonance in the
embryo can thereby define a spatial addressing scheme that identifies local cells in the embryonic tissue
as belonging to one or another part of the global pattern in the embryo by way of the relative
concentration of certain morphogens. Perhaps the most visible example of the kinds of patterns that can
be defined by reaction diffusion systems are those seen in animal markings, such as the stripes of the
zebra or the spots of the leopard which have also been attributed to reaction diffusion processes (Murray
1981, 1988). Most of the markings on animal skins are for the purpose of camouflage, and therefore
those patterns are generally somewhat irregular for that reason. However there are cases where animal
and plant markings are intended to attract attention, and in those cases the true potential of morphogenic
processes as a representation of geometrical form is demonstrated. This is seen for example in poisonous
animals, like the caterpillar shown in figure 3 B, as well as in a variety of poisonous snakes that show
periodic geometrical patterns of rings, diamonds, or stripes, as well as in animals that display for mating
purposes, like the plumage of a peacock, and of various birds of paradise, and in the plant kingdom it is
seen in the forms of flowers. The symmetry and periodicity observed in these examples can be seen as
both evidence of the properties of morphogenesis, and at the same time, as properties of biological
vision, whose particular sensitivity to periodicity and symmetry are exploited by those morphogenic
markings in order to attract visual attention.
In the case of animal coat markings the chemical patterns only define different patterns of coloration. But
the same spatial addressing scheme is also responsible for defining the pattern of tissue types in the
embryo, for the pattern of concentration of these morphogens during a critical period of development has
been shown to be responsible for permanently marking the tissue for subsequent development into bone
versus muscle tissue etc. This therefore explains some of the geometrical regularities observed in the
shape of the muscles, bones, and internal organs of the body. The periodicity in morphogenesis is
ultimately responsible for the periodic segments observed in the bodies of worms and insects, in the
vertebrae of vertebrates, and similar resonances have been implicated in many other symmetries and
periodicities in plant and animal forms, including the bilateral symmetry of the human body, the
pentalateral symmetry of the starfish, the angular and radial periodicity of the bones in the human hand
and fingers, and the geometrical forms observed in plant and flower structures. Murray (1988) makes the
connection between chemical and vibrational standing waves, showing how a variety of different animal
coat patterns can be produced as standing waves in a steel plate cut in the shape of an animal skin, shown
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cymaticly soaring
Fri, May 2, 2008 - 12:44 PMyes cymatic studies are very interesting.
What I was trying to get at is
From what I've gathered, it appears that shamans that work with ayahuasca and sing icaros are not only just singing songs but they are actually constructing visual things.
It amazes me that DMT (Yes the endogenous neurotransmitter!)
gives humans the ability to literally see sound.
And not just see it,
but feel it with all of the intentions,
all of the consciousness
infused.
The most beautiful art you can imagine.
EYES CLOSED.
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Re: cymaticly soaring
Fri, May 2, 2008 - 12:54 PM"and Quetzecotal flew into the sun"
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Fri, May 2, 2008 - 5:26 PMnot only humans, all mammals -
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Fri, May 2, 2008 - 6:22 PMNot only humans, but mammals, and not only mammals by animals, and not only animals but plants and animals and minerals, and dark matter and energy; in fact, I've been looking for some not-us, has anyone found any of that stuff. Nothing seems to exist on its own. -
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Fri, May 2, 2008 - 8:32 PMyour right about that, if only we could conceive of "nothing".....He he -
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Sat, May 3, 2008 - 8:24 AMAh, yes......................the nothing that contains everthing at the end of the beginning,end, beginning-end -
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Re: cymaticly soaring
Sat, May 3, 2008 - 1:47 PMA translation of "The Heart Sutra"
Form is nothing more than emptiness,
emptiness is nothing more than form.
Form is exactly empty,
and emptiness is exactly form.
The other four aspects of human existence --
feeling, thought, will, and consciousness --
are likewise nothing more than emptiness,
and emptiness nothing more than they.
All things are empty:
Nothing is born, nothing dies,
nothing is pure, nothing is stained,
nothing increases and nothing decreases.
So, in emptiness, there is no form,
no feeling, no thought,
no will, no consciousness.
There are no eyes, no ears,
no nose, no tongue,
no body, no mind.
There is no seeing, no hearing,
no smelling, no tasting,
no touching, no imagining.
There is nothing seen, nor heard,
nor smelled, nor tasted,
nor touched, nor imagined.
There is no ignorance,
and no end to ignorance.
There is no old age and death,
and no end to old age and death.
There is no suffering, no cause of suffering,
no end to suffering, no path to follow.
There is no attainment of wisdom,
and no wisdom to attain.
The Bodhisattvas rely on the Perfection of Wisdom,
and so with no delusions,
they feel no fear,
and have Nirvana here and now.
All the Buddhas,
past, present, and future,
rely on the Perfection of Wisdom,
and live in full enlightenment.
The Perfection of Wisdom is the greatest mantra.
It is the clearest mantra,
the highest mantra,
the mantra that removes all suffering.
This is truth that cannot be doubted.
Say it so:
Gaté...........................................Gone,
gaté,.............................................Gone,
paragaté,.......................................Completely Gone,
parasamgate...................................Crossed Over,
Bodhi! ..................................................Awake!
Svaha!.....................................................Thus, It Is! -
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Re: cymaticly soaring
Tue, May 6, 2008 - 3:36 PMSorry, but can someone put this all in plain english? What the hell are cymatics again? -
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Re: study of sound
Wed, May 7, 2008 - 8:35 AMErnst Chladni laid the foundations for that discipline within physics that came to be called acoustics, the science of sound. Among Chladni's successes was finding a way to make visible what sound waves generate. Chladni demonstrated that sound actually affects physical matter and that it has the quality of creating geometric patterns. Cymatics by extention is the more recent study of wave phenomena as coined by Swiss renaissance man Dr. Hans Jenny. For a complete historical account and plenty of examples, check out www.world-mysteries.com/sci_cymatics.htm
The following site presents some stunning visual representations: www.cymatics.org/
Hope this answered your question.
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